As antiquated as they are, and as antiquated as the warfare that they represent is, damn, I wish they still used battleships.

The only two years that mattered. After that, the Mustang and the Camaro both became overweight, underpowered slushmobiles. For those two glorious years, though, damn.

The big weight issue for the GT500 is that it's the top of the line model, with all the 'luxury' bells and whistles. The Boss 302 did without much of that, including the navigation, rear seats (on the Laguna Seca), and a metric shit-ton of sound deadening material.

Yeah, I just saw that on ESPN. Fuck.

$24m to Johan Santana, who will never pitch in another Mets game.

I'll just leave this here, turdnugget.

It's not that he wants it to be more like the '86 he has, it's that he wants it to be truer to the original, lighter platform included. It could be very well argued that the Z/28 from the Gen III Camaro was nothing more than an appearance package, albeit with a slight bump in horsepower, so it's not like he was…

The Mustang gets by on a much lighter platform, and conforms to the same NHTSA regs that the Camaro does.

Not in all cases. My father-in-law is a dyed-in-the-wool Chevy guy. The last Ford he had was a 1970 Boss 302, and that was in 1972, when he came back from 'nam. He's got a 1986 Z/28, into which he's forced a 460 cid big block with a 700R4. He wants a Z/28. He's thinking about buying a Boss 302, instead, because…

Putting a bigger engine in a platform and lightening the car still does not mean Z/28. A Z/28 was a 302 cid, lightweight Camaro, meant for SCCA racing. Call this whatever you want, but until you can get it down to about 3200 pounds with a smaller, high revving V8, it's not a Z/28.

I won't disagree with you there. The electronic nannies on the GT-R do a prodigious job of keeping the car tracking correctly, and making sure that you're not getting your ass in a bind. Typically, I'm all for the idea of putting big power in a car without electronic nannies, and making it do the best it can.

Straw man. There's a BIG difference between a GT-R and a Camaro. One is a technology laden platform with an amazing engine/AWD system, and the other is a Camaro.

Those are awful tails. They look like the stylized bastard children of the old Chevy Lumina tails.

Agreed. They just don't have the right platform for it, now. Don't get me wrong, I love performance cars, and while I'm a Mustang fan, anything that Chevy does to make the Camaro better is going to make the Mustang better. Having a Z/28 is impetus for Ford to keep cranking out Boss 302s, Mach 1s, etc, and I'm happy…

So, it lost less than 8% of its total body weight, still has a lower power/weight ratio than the GT500 (0.131 vs 0.167), has no AC or radio, and will still likely cost as much as the GT500.

Just in time for the new Mustang to be appreciably lighter than it is now, undercutting the Camaro, yet again.

There are a metric assload of Panameras around the Charleston, South Carolina area. If only those rich buttholes would pony up the extra coin to get an Aston. Our roads would be gorgeous.

Have you ever been on one? I had to fly from BWI to Philly International a few years ago, and that thing was truly terrifying. Thankfully, the flight was like 26 minutes, wheels up to wheels down. Twenty six harrowing, terrifying minutes.

Man, I'm just happy to see an article about a team sucking more than my beloved Mets!

That's exactly what I was thinking. I know I'm in for a shitstorm, posting this on Jezebel, but shouldn't people be allowed to thank whomever they wish? I mean, I work in IT, and all of the people that I would thank for being inspirational to me, were to I be given an award, are male. Is it wrong for me to thank…