I think it kind of sums up this whole movie that Zack Snyder's take on Batman's origin is the first time, in ANY medium, that Thomas Wayne is stupid and bull-headed enough to take a swing at the armed mugger threatening to shoot him and his family.

… Which might have been a good scene for Clark to share with Lois. "Honey, I KNOW Bruce Wayne is Batman! I saw his face!" "Journalism isn't just about the truth, Clark— it's about how much of the truth you can PROVE. No evidence, no story."

You might even say that he's too stupid to even use his own stupidity as a justification.

I love that every identity discovery in this movie happens off-camera.

… Yeah, that was a stretch. But they made damn sure to have Alfred throw in that "It's a miracle no one was killed!" line, to establish that he didn't just kill a whole bunch of cops. No such luck in this movie.

Fair enough. And if Clark even called her "Martha" ONCE before that scene, I could have bought that. But in Man of Steel, he only ever addresses her as "mom". So… yeah, it's a bit contrived.

Then they probably should have had a scene where Superman confronts Bruce Wayne at his mansion and calls him out. It would have made sense for Supes to follow up on his little threat on the dockyards, and give Bruce a reason to sweat that he's serious. Plus, it would have given a more solid indication that Clark knew,…

That's… insane. Seriously, I know comic book stories often stretch the bounds of believability, but we're getting into full-on cartoon physics if that's supposed to be the case.

I did. And I stated them. As I'm sure I will a few dozen more times on this site.

Well, except for that one time at the end of the movie where he holds up a gigantic gun, looks the victim in the eyes, says "I believe you", and shoots the flamethrower on the guy's back so that it'll blow up.

I was honestly flabbergasted when Superman landed in the alley to confront Batman and immediately called him "Bruce". I felt like a scene had been left out somewhere.

I'm honestly just perplexed as to why Superman was calling her "Martha" and not, you know, "my mother". Seems like that would probably have had the same effect of stopping Batman mid-spearing.

He also slams into a car from the side at high speed in the Batmobile, crumpling the driver's side, then fires a grapple hook out of the back of the 'mobile and drags the car behind him for, like, seven or eight blocks of a high-speed chase. Finally, when another car full of gun-wielding thugs stops to fire at the…

I saw it today.

Well, fair enough. Art is about what you take from it; it's all subjective. If you dug the movie, more power to ya'.

Well, that's just because none of the detective work he does in the movies is ever in service of a mystery. Movie Batman uses detective work to learn the backstories of his antagonists, deduce things the audience already knows (like the Riddler's identity, for example), or track down the locations of his enemies.

I would say that the addition of Batman to what ostensibly should have been Man of Steel 2 was the biggest sign of Warner Bros.'s burgeoning desperation… except Zack Snyder insists that the addition was all his idea.

"Is anyone here strongly (or even mildly) pro-Cupid?"

How? How do you make Batman into a murderer after we just got an amazing trilogy of films in which Batman's no-kill rule was a major plot point? How do you make Superman a murderer after the sheer vitriol that was stirred up the LAST time it was done? Is Zack Snyder a sociopath or something? Why is he so intent on…

I also prefer Year One, myself… but TDKR is a pretty solid book too, IMO.