I definitely find it to be the narrative rewarding him. Again, I'm glad it's working better for you, but this is a purposefully written show by the actor who plays Gus. I really am shocked that so few people make the Woody Allen connection, or wave it away when he does in the show with an offhand remark, because it's…

And to think, you were only four years away from going your whole life without knowing that video existed.

Oh, god, was that writer dude the absolute fucking worst. Such a time-suck of a character. And just a terrible, terrible writer.

What is a fruits of the forest pie?

Bertie is truly fantastic. If there's one thing that has me actually wanting to see season two, it's to see where they go with her character. Especially if it's a strained but ultimately loving relationship with Mickey. Gus has a revolving door of friends around him, Mickey has an older neighbour she saw, like, three…

I assumed you were being sarcastic with that first sentence, this show has received tons of press here in the last two weeks.

And Gus isn't attractive physically, emotionally, or mentally. He has a shitty personality that gets excused because he's quiet and vaguely polite, not even "nice". This is, apparently, the point of the show. If that's true, the point of the show seems to be that shitty nice guys win in the end, no matter how much…

Right, those last few episodes with Mickey realizing she has to face her issues, going to meetings and dealing with them, telling Gus that she can't date him until she gets herself together, must have been in my head. My bad. Have a good night.

It frankly blows my mind how anyone can see his character as anything but Woody Allen-esque wish fulfillment. It comes right from that playbook and is possibly even worse in some ways.

I disagree. If you'd like to find my counter arguments to your various points, they've been repeated a few times I the threads to various degrees. But I've given them plenty of times, so much so that I don't feel the need to repeat them once more. Because I'm tired to pointing out why Gus being shitty doesn't mean…

Well, I definitely read that scene differently, perhaps because I don't recall Gus ever actually protesting, just commenting on the awkwardness of the setup. How is getting sucked off at work by a gorgeous girl not a win? Pointing out that scene was meant to be an innocuous show of where they could have used their…

I disagree.

That seemed like Apatow and Rust bullshit through and through in an attempt to hire as many hot actresses as they could to throw at him. I have never heard of the "sex with ugly dudes" phase. How people can read shit like this as anything other than wish-fulfillment truly is beyond me.

Yes, but most of those characters aren't getting rewarded for their shittiness throughout the show. That. Is. The. Difference. Gus gets break after break, Mickey steps in shit after shit. They end up at the same place. It is unbalanced writing when they creators are trying to show that they're both bad people when…

I would much rather see Gus talking about his issues than getting blowjobs in the middle of a soundstage by a ridiculously pretty actress. I feel like the former would add a lot more to the character than the latter did. The show already feels far more geared towards Gus' character than Mickey's, I can't imagine it…

To this show's credit, at least, Apatow also turned his fun-sucking harpy into a bumbling (wo)man-child. One that Gillian Jacobs is trying her damnedest to make appealing.

I don't necessarily need them to learn lessons per se, that is bad wording, but I can't stand to see undeserving characters get their win in the end while people continue to tell me "but the point of the show is that he's a jerk!" because that doesn't cut it. Maybe it is, but the narrative does very little to exhibit…

No matter what, I will continue to watch this show. Because Bertie is on it. And Bertie is just fantastic. And very good for Mickey. I hope they really start to build a strained friendship between them.

See, that would make me happy. That would be Gus not being rewarded for steamrolling over her feelings for his big, triumphant kiss. Unfortunately, the way the kiss is played off, is very much a moment of acceptance from Mickey. So I don't know if we'll get that slap.

I am indeed hoping that they're going somewhere with this, somewhere the show actually promised it would go. Season two could indeed be a season devoted to actually making Gus mature like Mickey has been forced to. I tend to like Apatow productions despite his general laziness with tropes, because his characters are…