The phrase “their own bodies” includes two possessives.

Oh, you’re one of those “actually, I’m a classical pickler” types.

Do you now see why the distinction between these two metaphorical preparations of cucumber are important?

No, the idea that bodily autonomy stems from the property rights idea “that what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn business”.

That many people who use lines like the one I originally responded to do make the distinction, even if you don’t, is the whole point.

Libertarians frequently recite the exact same logic to me as you have. It doesn’t matter where they or you are getting the ideas if it’s the same idea in the end.

It is when put in terms of “my own body” rather than in terms of reproductive rights or healthcare, yes.

The libertarian version of property rights is ultimately largely based on the notion that “what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn business”. This is not a belief that one must hold to be a liberal. And if you’re still going to argue it is, then it disqualifies most people who think of themselves that…

It’s less that it’s objectionable by itself and more that the way it is used is objectionable. Literally the most frequent way in which that kind of language it gets directed at me is to justify the full legalization and deregulation of the sale of heroin. I’m not even kidding. Granted, it’s because I’m pushing…

Oh, you’re one of those “actually, I’m a classical liberal” types. Do you understand that classical liberalism, like On Liberty, gets evoked by modern-day conservatives and libertarians? Classical liberalism’s take on liberty is where libertarianism gets its “what people do with their own bodies is none of my damn…

What you’re describing isn’t liberalism, it’s libertarianism.

Somehow, I don’t think pointing out that their position isn’t scientific isn’t going to influence these people in any way.

The Democrats’ chosen candidate for the presidency is okay with legal restrictions on abortion access, so it’s probably 50/50 at this point.

It’d only be gangster if they spelled it EFIL4STARCOMED.

You say “their positions make a whole lot of sense”, but that “they shouldn’t have any voice in policy when it comes to reproductive rights”. Okay!

Clinton thinks you can be a pro-life feminist. No wonder these clowns stick with the Democrats.

Makes me think of eugenics, but maybe that’s just because that kind of talk is usually reserved for “solving” the “problem” of disabled people not being aborted.

Who said anything about Bill Clinton?

“dangerous people”

And Clinton still defends it. Weird.