This effectively means that anyone who paid MORE then the price of the full-package is getting less value for their money then anyone who joins the party late. And these people obviously feel cheated.

Technically in the developer response they don't reference "standard" or "full," but insist that all backers will get the "complete" game, except they then go on to immediately specify that "complete" does not include DLC.

Eh, people do it all the time with entertainers.

That's not a logical argument. You can't say it's on them because they should've assumed that there'd not only be DLC, but paid DLC, and that none of it would be included in the "full" version of the game they were promised.

I'm guessing that's the point they're trying to make. Where people are killing tens or hundreds or thousands of bystanders, but just carry on like it's going to work. But if you actually stop and look at what you're doing, it seems less fun and games.

Right, but are most people buying a game for those features, or just to have current rosters, teams and active servers?

I wonder if this is part of the reason for the online mode being launched a few weeks after the game itself.

In GTA4 though weren't the co-op modes just a handful of missions that really were just a way to fast track XP or cash (or whatever it was)?

I'm not really sure if you're being consistent in your use of the term "reality based" or realism.

It's a very polarizing preference it seems, between Paradise and Revenge.

Agreed, the racing was by far best in Paradise, and the crash mode isn't worth mentioning.

How often do you smell raccoon waste? Those things are actual cat-sized pests and just shit everywhere. At least cats have the instinct to bury their shit.

Ah, yeah I guess that wouldn't avoid the scenario in those cases.

You could make the case that yes, technically it is or can be a friendship. Except it's more that there can be friendship-like qualities in a parent-child relationship, but it's far from being a friendship in anyway comparable to a non-parental friendship or a non-family friendship.

Love it.

It's things like this I prefer to the forced arbitrary applications like with games on the Wii, where in Mario Galaxy or Donkey Kong you'd have to shake the controller to do something you should've been able to do with just a button press.

Exactly, in Saints Row you have full control over age and every small detail of the face. You could spend hours doing a character in Saints Row.

Unfortunately they really are using the speakers. My girlfriend's daughter does, literally no matter what she is doing even if it's just a task that takes 30 seconds. And, as recently as yesterday, I've seen kids actually walking around holding the phone up around their head (think about a foot away from their ears)…

They can say that if they want, but any feature you market as included with the purchase is something you're paying for with that fee.