After the complete travesty that was season 3, I have to admit I said, "Fuck, yes!" out loud, to myself, when I saw this. I still have hope, and the potential combination of Chikllis with Jessica Lange is enough to make me actually excited. I really, really hated season 3—what is wrong with me?

Yeah, but I had avoided all spoilers thus far because I haven't caught up with this season, so I had no idea the nature of the spoil, and I got to this after they changed the thumbnail. Kind of blows. I'm not angry, just disappointed.

Well, fuck. I haven't caught up on this season's Good Wife, and now it is destroyed forever.

If you're a student there, sure, but it's really not so bad if you're a townie. Lots of good bars and restaurants, a great art theater, good bands on their way from Chicago to somewhere else, many many places to get awesome produce, easy to navigate (my commute was a 10-minute bike ride every day), etc. It's not the…

That's not what I'm arguing, though. It has little to do with their looks. It's about point of view and depth of character. But I think it's far too complicated to really address in this forum. I get what you're saying, though.

No worries. It makes for an interesting discussion. I have no friends in the real world who have watched the show yet, so I must take my complaints to the interwebs.

Granted, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It also doesn't mean that a show can't explore new relationships within a genre.

We'll have to disagree on that point.

Actually, I'd go with the opposite, as well. People doing their jobs stupidly, wandering off to do other things in the middle of the workday, etc.

People showing up places instead of calling or texting to have a conversation. That one has been bothering me lately, what with most adults and teenagers owning smart phones.

I'd also add that Top of the Lake, while ostensibly about a missing girl and rape, is so much more than those parts, and is actually invigorating to watch as a woman (well, for me, anyway).

Despite not finding him super attractive, he is completely hilarious on The League and Kroll Show has some brilliant moments. I can see it.

I had a similar reaction. Their closeness aside, they seemed a bit too flirty to me.

I can't speak to the sociopath remark, but damn, I cannot stand Kristina. To the degree where I thought the show would be more interesting if she had died of cancer (not that I want anyone to die of cancer, of course—I'm speaking in terms of a compelling narrative) and we got to see Adam as a single parent dealing…

This was definitely not one of the strongest episodes, but I loved all the Diane moments. Jackie trying to steal attention away from Bert to her braids was also pretty good.

Yes, precisely.

Yeah, his room isn't gigantic, it's pretty crowded. Much more realistic. Veronica Mars was also guilty of huge freshman dorm rooms.

I wasn't talking about politics so much as I was referring to the way people in politics behave in DC. No matter their political affiliation, they tend to be more conservative in their outward expression than a lot of other places. I think it doesn't work to compare DC to state capitols because DC is not a state and…

Lazycrockett, I read your other response, and I understand more of what you're saying. This show does definitely challenge the mainstream idea of race, culture, and even religion, from Patrick's very limited white male perspective, which is the dominant tone of the show. I think it's incredibly valuable for doing so,…

I'm a white straight woman, and Patrick's issues hit very close to home for me. Doesn't mean I like the show any less; in fact, I probably love it more because it's challenging. Do you find white gay men in particular don't like this show? I haven't asked any of my white gay male friends about it, mainly because I…