They don’t speak for all individuals, obviously. Otherwise, people without desireable traits of the time would be bred out of the population. That wasn’t my point, which is that individuals’ choices and desires do not and cannot factually occur in a vacuum and are influenced by the surrounding culture.

It’s not an excuse, though. She probably gets called fat and berated for her body as being fat more than people who don’t live around here realize.

I live in the LA area and I’ve seen size 4-6 women being seriously put down as “pudgy”.

Venus here has a lot more body fat than most of the hot laydeez of today. She even *horror* has a belly. Just one example.

Busts weren’t necessarily a perfectly accurate representation. Fixate on Nefertiti if you wish, but there’s a lot of history between her and now, including a lot of women considered beautiful in historical art who couldn’t get a local news anchor position today because they’d be considered “too fat”.

We don’t actually know exactly how thin or fat she was. What I do know is that I see little tummies on starlets in older films but visible ribs on the female stars in newer ones, for example.

Cool story. I was responding a specific comment here, not to generalized American people you deem to be sane.

Someone with a slim waist might still be considered “fat” in modern Western culture. We have some pretty harsh-ass standards.

Who is making that distinction here? Not the comment I was responding to. It used the word “fat”, not “obese” a single time.

I never said “overweight”, I said “fat”. And a lot of people in the past who were considered beauty icons in their time would be called “fat” if they tried to be beauty icons today.

I’m saying that it’s not that simple is all. Trends for what’s hot obviously change throughout history. Culture is part of our evolutionary history and reality.

I’m not speaking of individuals, but of individuals in aggregate. As trends. Trends for what’s hot change.

Some of y’all are being super harsh with her calling herself fat thing. She’s in Los Angeles. I am a born-and-raised Southern Californian, and any flesh beyond model-skinny (and maybe with some T&A if you’re brown) on a female person is considered to be obesity out here.

Attraction doesn’t occur in a vacuum. Once upon a time, not so long ago, it was the societal norm to be more into fat women than thin women. The class/body shape flip happened, and now we think the opposite. There’s no way attraction isn’t shaped by its cultural context. That is worth thinking about.

Many penises lose length to the fat cushion.

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