thank you, looks like NPR has posted a few articles. It is clear that the path is north of the reservation (by about a mile), though the possibility of private owned tribal land was brought up by a helpful commenter (and so far inconclusive). NPR interestingly noted that there are already pipelines crossing the…

Yes, my comment on “remoteness” was meant to be a little tongue in cheek

I certainly agree with you that it is complicated with different rights and procedures attaching to different designations, that is why I wish it were clear what land we were specifically talking about.

Jill Stein 2016: Leading from Behind.

I wish there were any concrete authoritative sources on any aspects of this whole thing. It is almost like it is too remote to even get a good journalist out there. For weeks articles have been saying that the pipeline does not cross the reservation.

I don’t find anything you have said to be remotely genuine. Unless you are saying your general ignorance on the topic at hand is genuine? I do like the attempt at gaslighting though “I’m trying to mess with your head. Like you are trying to mess with mine.” You are the one that decided to reply to one of my posts.

None of your comment makes any sense. I think you need your morning coffee still so that you can write coherently.

Oh, so you just enjoy making conclusions without reading? Must be a millennial that is anti reading more than 130 characters.

I completely agree that people can be removed without setting attack dogs on them and I’ve said the same thing. That still doesn’t mean that what they did was illegal (just because you can do a…

Ok again, I’ll ask you to point to any sympathetic point of view in all my posts on the subject. In fact you can find me several times (since you have clearly read them all) saying that their behavior was wrong. But you have premised your arguments on them clearly behaving illegally. It is helpful to know if your…

No they didn’t go to South Dakota because we made them. There were no reservations in 1700. I mean if you are going to make a serious argument as to native rights it would be helpful if you knew anything at all about the peoples.

Wait, so you are saying that during planning of the pipeline they should not have raised the issue, but instead wait until the pipeline was coming upon the sacred grounds to mention it?

Your inability to distinguish between a statement of the legal rights and sympathy is sickening. Please identify where I expressed sympathy? Please identify where I have ever said they were right in their actions? Maybe try learning instead of pontificating?

Well if that is the argument you want to make, you are going to have a problem since the Dakota peoples didn’t live in South Dakota until 1700.

I agree with the first paragraph. I guess I’m not so cynical re the second. A lot of important projects have been fast tracked that would otherwise be mired in NIMBY politics forever.

It appears that the tribe didn’t even identify the sacred sites until a recent court filing. In fact, they claim that the builders used…

I agree, though I would hope they would be able to separate corporation screwing over anyone that gets in their way to “white people” being bad-faith actors. The building company didn’t care that they were Native Americans, they cared that they were interfering with their project.

You can use reasonable force to make a trespasser leave. You can also use reasonable force to protect real property. The amount of force is what a reasonable person would feel is necessary to eject the trespasser. If a trespasser resists removal, the amount of force can be increased. No danger is actually required.…

I agree with your broad points, and it is true that they have suffered greatly by being the loser of history, but I have to disagree on your premise that “you are asserting your belief that religion is mythology. You are asserting your belief that the Native Americans have a false view of the universe.”

It is…

I don’t doubt what you say, and it is true from an outsider of the culture it is easy to say they shouldn’t be so attached. It is going to take work from both sides to bridge some of that distrust.

I agree entirely with your first paragraph. I certainly do not endorse the underhanded way in which they bulldozed the site out of spite.

Sure, but there must be a limit on how much credence we give to mythology or else we can’t do anything. In California when remains are found on a building site they bring out someone to perform a brief ceremony and then move on.