Not saying their response was creepy, just asking about the culture it applies to - late 70s early 80s Vanning.

or maybe a tank could drive over the cars and a helicoptr just swoop in all aggressive... “pew pew pew pew” and explosions everywhere “Ka-Blooie” and “Ka-Bam”. Pew pew pew pew, “not on my streets ya hoodlums, go home and study your maths”

Why is American vanner culture so creepy?

Looks like a guy working on his own Alfa in a parking lot of a ASE certified motel with a gullet full of gator aid liquid courage while the Chads watch.

Build them for the youths so the elders who buy feel young.  Buicks are built for old people.

They’ll come around.

I would agree that diesel is dead in passenger cars. Diesel trucks will stay. It is unfortunate though that the more efficient and powerful fuel will be unavailable for passenger cars.  By that I mean no new cars will utilize the fuel.

In 2011, I flew from Indianapolis to Cleveland, to San Francisco, then to Eugene, Oregon. Waiting outside the airport was a very kind professor from University of Oregon along with his wife, and a 1967 Volvo Amazon. It was going on midnight as my brother and I exited the airport and met Tom. Tom handed me the keys and…

Time spent making or cleaning up food is an accurate measure when contemplating parenthood.

I wish I hadn’t sold my Mini Cooper.  I took delivery on my daughter’s birthday 8 years before she was born.  She LOVES Minis.

I get it, but the benefits cited in your reply to Robot Face (road glare, parking, “see stuff”) are limited to the size of vehicles around you. More brakes? - SUVs also typically weigh more than their sedan equivalents.

I’m teaching the kids to recognize the difference between a truck and a brodozer.

whats with the copper style oxidation?  I’ve never seen metal “blue.”  Copper does.

Wasn’t that a thing on vwvortex for a while? “crubs & brushes”

ah yes.  lol

Higher seating position is a mute point when everyone else is sitting in higher seating positions in their SUVs.

Regardless, the point I was trying to make still exists. These companies are consistently selling less than Ford and remaining in the sedan market. What are they doing differently from Ford? Maybe nothing. But certainly Ford is watching whatever trends and making bets on sedans.

Sonata I didn’t check. But Accent, Forte, Mazda6 were all sub-100k.

To that my reply would be WTF is Kia/Hyundai/Mazda doing that allows them to continue in the sedan market with sub-100k sales numbers? I agree Ford should make money by that comparison, but obviously they have a different direction they want to go.

While your numbers check out, the bigger picture is that even at 200k units a year on the Fusion, it was still about half as much as the Camry. Accord sales were less than Camry, but still quite a bit more than Fusion. Ford’s market share on the Fusion very small in comparison - similarly to how you compared the Focus…