I don’t know if this is legal...

You realize that cameras fail, that if you just make visibility with eyes possible it’s easy.

You seem way to obsessed with genitalia.

Fords fleet pricing is basically untouchable. I have looked at all 3 and its not even close.

We are starting to see more Rams pop up for police and forest service work around here.  But I believe ford is the #1 seller to the government and its not even close.. like, fca, gm combined aren’t close to beating for for…

Exactly... start with like, 30% tint, next one is 20% or 15% or whatever, third is just black cloth. 

Because some of us still like the look?  Because it holds up well over time with minimal care?

Just spitballing here... cause we most definitely agree...  Couldnt you just make a clear visor with tint?  Or 2 with tint so you can darken selectively... and it would cost like... $4.81.

Aafter Q1 of last year, Cox Automotive reported 19% of ford sales were to rental companies and 20% were commercial. That’s as much of a breakdown as I can find in 2 minutes. They are also a large supplier of government though I cant find figures.

Eexcept the Camaro isn’t a muscle car. Put more than 2 people in one, it’s awful. A proper muscle car should take your luggage.

No.

I have a 76. It is, to this day, one of my all time favorite cars. Just hard to keep running as its spent the majority of its life sitting wrecked in a garage.

Sales data for cars or suvs matters as well. Both Charger and 300 are sedans that total sales make FCA happy. Grand Cherokee and Durango are the same. Its like a 3rd row variant and a 2 row variant. So, because YOU think it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter?

I am simply pointing out that this argument extands beyond…

Right, so we can lump 300 and Charger together... or Durango and Grand Cherokee.  Only minor differences between them, made on the same lines, same platform.  Make money for the same company.

Ah... so what brand do you work for? Will it let me change my name to that? Probably too long, right?

I mean, you could argue it, but a muscle car requires a v8 engine and a coupe (I truly have no idea if tesla made a coupe, I know they talked about it), and a grand touring car requires the ability to drive long distances and a coupe. Your 370 mile range with a 30+ minute break disqualifies the long distance part. On…

Well, repairpal has the Ram rated higher... 

I guess we have different experiences? I get around 17 combined in a 6.4L in Colorado. I get around 15-16 in the 2019 Powerwagons. They have very good torque and decent pickup for a large heavy truck. They tow like crazy and many people around here prefer the 6.4L over the cummins for towing in the mountains because…

I like the 5.7 more than the 5.3. I like the 6.2 more than the 6.4. I can 100% see the 6.4 becoming a better engine in a half ton, just like the 5.7 was a far better engine in a half ton than the HDs.

You are 100% correct.  But 1) they’re not the first to do it. In fact, Chevy did it before. and 2) the biggest thing holding Ram back was production capacity, when they opened the new plant for DT, they were able to make up some of the ground, but capacity is still behind that of GM.  Both are behind Ford.

You are correct. They are lumped together. But combined the two trucks still have less plant capacity than Chevy and both Ram and GM have less than Ford.