It’s the same thing because facts don’t change despite your inability to understand them.

A moral obligation that is not a law would be to not cheat on your spouse. To keep your word if you give it.

You have those suspicions because you’re a fucking idiot who can’t comprehend this conversation. Hence this stupid…

That’s weird, I didn’t say anything about the law. Legally and otherwise tips are optional, and that’s just a fact.

Sorry facts are so bothersome to you. 

Narrow margins don’t fucking matter. Fair compensation is the agreed upon price. Period. Restaurants agree to the menu price being the only mandatory price. Their decision to take that chance does not create a moral obligation for the customer.

My point is there isn’t an actual use of the word that makes a difference. There isn’t an obligation. If defining the word is so important, why don’t you just do that?

I don’t care if they are trash, people who say don’t go out to eat of you don’t want to tip what I say you should are also fucking trash and can fuck right off and enjoy their impotent rage.

Again, use whatever definition you want. Doesn’t matter.

If the servers aren’t tipped that way and they have to make up the difference, how, do you imagine, do they do that? Where does that money come from?

Good for you. Be wrong all you like.

The legal exemption doesn’t create any sort of obligation to tip, because that same exemption put the onus on the business to make up the difference because they recognize that tipping isn’t an obligation.

I’m saying there is no obligation of any kind, no matter how you use the word. There is no way “a person is not obligated to tip” is false.

They do it because servers MIGHT be compensated for tipping. That’s the point, everyone, even the federal government in their labor laws, recognizes that tipping is VOLUNTARY and might not happen!

We keep going around because you can’t grasp that it doesn’t matter if they use pooled tips (which they actually can’t in some places but it’s not like you bothered to look any of this up...) The point is, everyone gets the agreed upon higher non-tipped minimum wage that is guaranteed
 

Do you not have a dictionary? You can’t look up “obligated”?

It’s not just about not being arrested, it’s about the nature of tipping in general. It’s understood to be VOLUNTARY. It’s not ever an obligation.

Morally, you should adhere to the agreements you make. Morally, the agreements between other people are not your…

The point was to illustrate the non-obligatory nature of a tip, which you keep insisting is mandatory due to federal law and dumb shit like that.

But I get it, you’re slow.

It is not really simple. Federal labor laws - and most state laws - provide a specific exemption for servers specifically because they are compensated in tips.

Yes, contributions to the event, not some sort of transnational gift because you got fed. That’s a weird way of looking at friendship.

I have several friends over every weekend and I make a serious dinner almost every time. Some of them bring booze, which we all share, but they take it home at the end of the night.…

“The Warren County district attorney, Kathleen B. Hogan, said that she had determined that the man, Humberto A. Taveras, could not be forced to pay a gratuity.

“I don’t know what Pennsylvania laws say on the subject, but in New York, police and prosecutors generally hold that a tip is always voluntary, even if the menu says otherwise. In other words, unless there is a signed contract with a set gratuity spelled out, such as for a banquet, tipping is never mandatory. Just…

It’s really simply. The labor is being done under contract with and for the benefit of the restaurant. They are the only ones obligated, legally or morally, to pay a wage.

The labor laws do not create an obligation on the customer to pay. The labor is still being done on behalf of the restaurant, who pays them if tips do not make a certain amount. That’s all that matters. The contract and obligation is between employer and employee, end of story.