If an employee’s bonus is tied to their KPI’s, shouldn’t the CEO’s as well? And shouldn’t some of those KPI’s be tied to employee retention, stock valuation, and public perception?

Maybe it shouldn’t be on shareholders to vote for a CEO’s bonus package, unless the CEO, and anyone with direct relationship to the CEO…

The judge calling them “supine servants of an overweening master” really is a chef’s kiss-level of description.

1. That money, any money sum that large needs to be reinvested into the company, not paid out to a handful of people. That includes reinvestment in the people who make the company’s success possible; the workers

Lol. Lmao, even

The company is collapsing due to his personal instability and lunacy and he’s determined to squeeze every red cent out of it from all the people he’s fired, and the board will help him do it because he controls many of them (in part because of documented evidence that they’ve done hard drugs with him).

Is he going to pay the shareholders back for all the lost value of Tesla stock, especially since it’s linked to him directly?

in regards to Musk, calling him “Tesla’s most important employee.”

He’s CEO of six companies. Line cooks work harder than CEOs. 

Elon is just proving to everyone that CEO’s are absolutely not worth what we have to pay for them. Why should he absorb all the money that the laid off employees would have made in their whole careers? Does he do the work of 15,000 people? Shit, does he do the work of 5 people? No. 

Agreed; IF you want/need an electric pickup this one at $100K with 400+ miles of range isn’t really that bad of a deal. I mean it’s clearly not for everyone, but you could spend that kind of money on a Lucid or high-end Tesla and get similar range. And $100K is already within spitting distance of most high-end/well…

Bah, not bullet proof, not stainless steel, not subject to Elmo’s whims. A Tesla fan wanker would never consider something that LOOKS like a truck.

I help run a large Toyota-based offroading club here in Colorado. I will be spending $65-80K on a Toyota 4x4 to replace my current 4Runner in the next 3 years. And I’m not considering the Land Cruiser.

Correction: Toyota believes they can sell you 4-5 different bodies on top the same base frame. IE Instead of different trims, they’ll throw in different exteriors as well:

I get the 4R vs LC separation..but I don’t get the LC vs GX separation. LC Land cruiser trim with advanced package is $68k, GX Overtrail is $69k. Slightly worse MPG, but the TT V6 and better everything else, seems wild to me. Seems like the LC 1958 is the only trim that makes any sense?

I don’t see it. Toyota moved the LC down market as it just didn’t sell in the US as it was, which I thought was a great plan at first. But now the 4Runner gets updated and they are nearly the same vehicle. Crossovers have sold like mad for a while now, so I get all the options there, but I just don’t see it here. I…

It seems like there is going to be a lot of overlap, which makes me really wonder how both will survive.

These trucks are so close the difference for me would come down to the tailgate. The LC does not have the split tailgate but the 4Runner retained the roll down rear window, so I’ll take the 4Runner.

For awhile Tesla had a product that could sell itself. No need for PR department, sales infrastructure, etc. Now they’ve got increasingly stale product, with one kookoo guy on twitter leading the sales pitches, who’s take basically is you’re an idiot of you don’t give your life to this product and vision. Pass.

I wonder how the actual pricing at the dealerships will play out. How much separation and overlap will there be? 

I am curious how the prices for these and 4runners end up in reality at dealerships. I wonder if they will overlap a little, a lot, or will Toyota keep 4runners a bit lower to get more customers? Probably not...