Yet you pointed to the quality survey. Which is the ONLY one of them that counts wind noise as a problem. You chose the survey which shows that the differences are actually minor (and ignore that your preferred brands actually lose those awards to the brands you trash quite often), and those minor differences are ones…

$2.2 billion in profit for a single quarter in the US.. Daimler’s entire profit for last year, at current exchange rates, was about $8.6 billion US. Ford’s full year company-wide profit last year was $3.7 billion. Daimler is also a much larger company serving more than just cars and auto financing - heavy trucks and…

Actually, you don’t have to go that far back to see profitability in Europe. In fact, in 2017, they pulled a full year profit in Europe of $234 million pretax. In 2016, they made $1.205 billion pretax profit in Europe. In 2015, they made $259 million pretax profit in Europe. They lost money from 2011-2014, but made…

Last quarter, yes.  Last year, no.

Ford is very, very profitable in the US.

Color blind and with the inability to sense temperature.

They were. Very much so. The headline is beyond terrible.

Hell, they made $1.146 billion in net profit after tax last quarter. That would have been closer to $1.75 billion if not for costs to close plants in Europe.

It’s Europe they’re really talking about in that article - trying to return Europe to profitability. …

2nd: There’s a lot of potential overreaction there. Take the data for Ford. Their estimates, assuming NO changes in sales figures, sales balance, or improvement in emissions, would be about $1600 per vehicle in fines. Thats an ~8% markup in pre-tax prices. But a lot of that could be avoided if consumers slightly…

Its more distressing to see poor journalism. Ford is profitable. Even in Europe, where they’re focusing in this article, they made a profit last quarter. In North America, Ford made $2.2 billion in pre-tax profit last quarter.

And where the hell do you get the idea that their powertrains break a lot?  That isn’t even…

1st:

That’s a terrible headline.  Ford is profitable.  They’re talking about improving European operations - which, btw, were profitable last quarter.

They’re counting in the first 90 days of ownership, not 2 years down the road.

Noise is not a reliability issue.  Its a quality one.

Provably false? Sure, random brainless idiot who believes any marketing tripe that flows his way.

I’ve given you solid examples of why their ratings are statistical gibberish.  Live in your own pit of ignorance if you want to.

Hey now...

Miami was a University when Florida belonged to Spain.

Actually, the city of Miami, Florida, wasn’t even founded until 1896.  Miami University was founded in 1809 - 87 years earlier.  And the university was named after the Miami tribes, which lived here, not in Florida.

I’m sorry you don’t understand statistics.

CR’s methodology is terrible. Anyone in statistics and survey methodology will tell you this. It’s a voluntary response survey (which adds error to any survey) that allows the respondent to make their own definition of a serious problem (again more error), with very little checking of these reponses to see if problems…

The Vulcans of California University laugh at your amateur hour issues, all the way from Pennsylvania.

Honda has slipped in CR for the same reason Ford did - they started pushing infotainment, and every car company that has done that has seen ratings plunge. The car still works, though.

Toyota is certainly smaller than Ford in the UK. But they aren’t small. Parts availability isn’t an issue there - at least no more so…

Most JD Power quality problems are “wind noise” or something similar that has nothing to do with reliability and are evident when you test drive a vehicle.

Well, if you look at Consumer Reports’ data, there’s actually some evidence there. When they break down the difference between what they rate average for reliability (empty circle) and what they rate as well above average (solid red), you’ll see that it corresponds to generally under a 2% difference in failure rates.…

It probably depends on how you define reliable.

Warranty Direct used to publish some useful information (its limited to UK only now - though its still interesting, as it shows things like Ford in a dead heat with Lexus) - they showed, for example, that compared to Toyota, Fords needed repair more often. However, Fords,…