Boomers live for this shit. And sure, I’m stereotyping, but I can think of many fathers (including my own) where going out and finding that “deal” was the weekend hobby (instead of the things that lazy, poor people do, like go for a walk, or play golf).

Because for most a car is just an appliance, and even those who want something interesting, it’s a pain in the ass to do the negotiation. If it already takes hours to do paperwork on a car bought at sticker, why would I spend more of my time trying to convince a business to lose money on something they know they can…

I didn’t say you didn’t get a good deal, I said you didn’t get a deal $12k better than the random schmuck off the street.

Because no other product - save houses, I suppose - reasonably gets advertised and marketed at once price but ends up changing value from seller to seller. You don’t see Best Buy selling a TV for $2000 when the same one at Target sells for $500.

I don’t understand how car companies spend that much money and time to develop their product and stuff like the auto off ‘feature’ in my Jeep can still cause my windows to go from rolling up to rolling down or why the onboard computer and touchscreen still suck so badly.

People making difference choices with how to spend their time and money aren’t always “lazy”, “pussies”, “getting screwed” or whatever other pejorative you feel the need to use to make yourself feel better. 

I emailed CarMax, told them I was interested in a car, they brought it to me pulled behind a Mercedes Sprinter with a full office inside. I test drove it, agreed to buy, signed the paperwork inside the van (they never even set foot inside my house) and they drove away while I had a gently used 1 year old car in my…

“Amazed that so many people are such pussies about this.”

Dealers run sales on cars without negotiating all the time. I’m sure you feel like you negotiated every dime of that $12k, but probably not. You likely did marginally better than a person who wanted the same car and would have put in even less effort.

I do not understand how car companies spend billions of dollars and man hours on research and development of their product, yet they allow the customer experience at the point of sale to be such a shit show.

“WTF??? People would rather just pay “what Ford says the car costs” instead of investing a few hours shopping around/negotiating to save thousands of dollars? Who are these people?”

This. There’s a whole generation of folks where negotiating is part of the buying process, and that generation is dying out (sorry to be put it into such blunt terms).

Those places do fine and there’s a number of national dealers with that model.

No, they treat it as a deeply unpleasant undertaking that they can avoid by spending less time and more money.

This. I don’t mind paying a few bucks more for less hassle and not having to play games negotiating

“WTF??? People would rather just pay “what Ford says the car costs” instead of investing a few hours shopping around/negotiating to save thousands of dollars? Who are these people?”

Genesis has been really coming up with some very nice looking cars. This on the other hand...did they give it to the new kid to draw?

Well, you see, a guy who was self taught made it to space and let a bag of M&Ms float around. Obviously a huge problem all around. 

Second gear: That’s not a vote of no confidence, that’s a vote of asset diversification and cashing in big time.
For all we know, the guy left because realized “to hell with it, I’m worth hundreds of millions of dollars, my boss is a tool, and don’t need to work for him to live like a king forever”
which is exactly the…

How fucking stupid. This is why I don’t take Tesla stans seriously, Elon comes out with blatantly dangerous shit, but WE’RE the idiots for saying so. Welp, I guess we better brace ourselves for all the inevitable “STEERING YOKE FAIL!!” stories that are inevitably on their way.