Can I join? Force Awakens was just a rethread of A New Hope. I thought TLJ would be better as they had all the exposition done. But it was boring. It was just the ‘culture wars’ buttons it pushed that gave it any heat. I’d had zero expectations that this one would turn things around.

Support thread for folks who found both Force Awakens and TLJ boring and realized you’ll never love Star Wars as much as you did as a child and that’s ok

I do not get the love for Tarantino. I understand why teenagers like him, but I do not get the love for him from adult film critics.

What?! You didn’t like two hours of people driving around in 1970's LA? Didn’t you want to hear some of the most boring dialogue to ever come out of a Tarantino film?

I'm going to probably be in the minority here, but I didn't get Once upon a time in hollywood. I didn't dislike it, but it felt empty to me. 2+ hours of nothing much happening, followed by five minutes of horrifying violence and then an uncomfortable ending. The detail was stunning but in hindsight countless scenes…

We could talk all day about genius moments in “Jaws”. I vote for the moment when Brody is flinging chum and the shark leaps out of the water.  “You’re gonna need a bigger boat” is one of the all-time great movie lines, but right before that--Brody is pissed off and muttering, then the shark surges into the screen,…

I think it’s hard for people to remember just how *amazing* the Jurassic Park dinosaurs were in 1995. We’re so used to realistic CGI now, but when the movie came out most viewers associated CGI with the look of Tron or Lawnmower Man - the realistic Raptors and T Rex were just unprecedented.

I think the issue is that so much of the negative reaction around TLJ came from right-wing shitmunchers that, especially how under siege any of us who are vaguely left-leaning feel, there’s this natural reaction to want to defend the movie as part of a larger battle against that kind of hateful ideology. The flip side…

In any case, The Last Jedi is certainly not without its praiseworthy notes. After all, it’s still a thoroughly enjoyable chapter...

As far as putting women in charge in my opinion Rian Johnson still fucked it up. Why is Laura Dern’s character a Vice Admiral in an evening gown the whole movie? Also why is General Organa back in a dress after being in more military style clothes for TFA? These are just 2 simple visual cues that are so obviously wrong…

Exactly. Like, the fact that we’re STILL trying to pretend “this movie is perfect and the only people who don’t like it are racist and sexist” is such a weird take considering even the stars and especially Luke Skywalker himself are going “nah it wasn’t great.”

That’s not ObiWanJalopy is saying at all - he’s saying the exact inverse of this: that his opinion that TLJ wasn’t good is not objectively wrong. OP didn’t say that anyone who liked TLJ is objectively wrong, he is quite fairly reveling in the fact that his opinion that TLJ is less likely to be unfairly labeled right…

I think most of the issue with the Last Jedi for me can be boiled down to one thing:

At the behest of a white writer/director, the nonwhite actors got shunted into their own stretch of subplots in which the whole point is that they suck at everything they’re trying to do.

To explain my issues with the film, I look it like this. The sequel trilogy is a relay race. TFA starts out the first leg and passes the baton. But when Rian Johnson gets the baton, he runs off track and does the shot put. He does really well in the shot put, but we’re in a relay race. When its time to pass the baton,…

“the high volume of jokes”

It’s been interesting seeing some of the fans who would claim to just love this cast turn against them when they say things that don’t fit the message - namely the message that Last Jedi was the best Star Wars ever, incredibly transgressive, daring beyond words, and above criticism. I’ve repeatedly seen people try to…

Generally liked the movie, but it’s telling that the same people praising it as a bold, new take on the franchise are disappointed when anyone offers a whiff of criticism and dismiss most of it as bad-faith trolling.

This is incredibly refreshing. Even the folks involved think it was just a meh movie. Hopefully we can now stop with the sweatily-desperate claims that all criticisms of TLJ is just right-wing trolling. I love John Boyega, and he and Mark are right to be critical of the film and the experience, as is JJ.

Bending over backwards to handwave away legitimate criticism of TLJ is a weird take.