Car prices continue to climb, wages no longer tracking with productivity (or inflation)... yeah, people will cling to their old ones longer.

Car “roofs” are typically different than living spaces. I don’t think anyone would consider this to not have a roof:

Does a soft top not count as a roof?

This is the problem with most commenters on here.  They so blindly hate the Cybertruck, they can’t even accurately criticize it.  You try to correct them, or give it a bit of perspective, and you are suddenly called a Musk defender or something like that.

Where’s the lie? You think a Land Rover Freelander from the Camel Trophy would do well on an RTI test? Fuck no. You can have an extremely capable vehicle do poorly on an RTI test. An RTI test is just a single test.

My point is tires are entirely secondary to the primary attributes tested here. That’s why there’s often no mention of what specific tires (other than size) on the vehicles tested here. It’s not going to matter if you’ve got fresh KM02s or if they’ve got 45,000 miles on them. The results are going to be pretty damn…

The fact you think bald tires would affect this test is silly.  It’s a suspension travel, suspension flex, and frame test.  It’s largely not a tire traction/condition test.

I know he’s lied, well, he’s lied a lot.  But as he lied about RTI tests?

And plenty do worse. What’s your point? It looks like it scored dead even with the F150, and beats notable offroaders like the ‘22 TRD Pro, G-Class...

I hate the Cybertruck as much as the next guy, but I don’t think anyone is buying this truck to do well on an RTI test. I don’t think Tesla ever intended this to do well on it.

I get your point, and I get CR’s point. But I wish CR’s statements were at least a bit more relative. The Wrangler’s ride, interior sound and fuel economy should all be compared to the closest competitors: Bronco and 4Runner. Sure, if they want to say stuff like, “These class of vehicle is going to have way worse ride…

I’m super mildly interested in a Gladiator, but this scares me off. I don’t really need a Gladiator, and they are a bit more expensive than I’d want to spend, and they get worse gas mileage than the other mid-sizers, but removable doors and roof is cool.

That looks like a Cavalier to you?

Strong disagree. If you could get it for a bit less (I’m talking ~$3,500) it seems like the perfect condition for a car that simply have some fun with. Is it the greatest car ever? Not by a long shot. But it seems like a car that would be great to take for a cruise with the top down, get some ice cream, and just have…

The dumbest thing about it is that the Cybertruck’s speed is pretty impressive. Why they felt the need to lie about it (or if you are some Tesla die-hard, “be slightly misleading” about it) is just odd.  Your damn Lego brick is faster than a car most people consider very fast.  Cool, show that.  Don’t friggen show…

I see Lightnings and Rivians (if you exclude the R1S) with about the same frequency as each other, maybe slight favor to the Lightning. I’ve seen two Hummer pick-ups and one Hummer SUV. I haven’t seen a Cybertruck or Silverado EV yet.

The R1T still seems like the best e-truck offering to me.  I’m just somewhat scared at the long-term viability of the company, but I get the feeling that if things got bad enough for Rivian, they’d likely be scooped up by a more major brand.  Hopefully that’d mean long-term support, but it could just mean vultures…

If you are entering a new marketspace, you need to know both.  Because not having customers buy it, vs not having customers buy it because they’d rather buy your competitors, take two entirely different approaches to fix.

For all we know, maybe consumers feel $8k is too expensive for even a competent full self driving system. I’m not saying Tesla’s FSD is a competent system, but lack of other data points means we can’t make any real claims here.

Is there $50k worth of gold hidden in the frame rails or something?