Well I was told yesterday that we can't expect teenagers to be decent human beings to victims in the face of a crisis, because what about their feelings and needs? So I'm going to keep praising the decent behavior and shaming the terrible behavior.

His parents probably deserve praise, too, for raising a boy who understood that his friend raped a girl and that it was not OK and should not be swept under the rug. That the victim deserved better than that.

Your psychoanalysis here is ridiculous. Plenty of rational people are horrible people. Just because it is rational to put our own self-interests above others' doesn't mean it is ethical or moral or right. Yes, none of us can know how we will respond in a crisis but that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility to act…

Exactly. I'm all for looking at cultural influences and context to understand how things happen and why people make the choices they do but understanding something doesn't mean that people should never be held accountable. Personally, I'm saving my compassion and understanding for Jackie and other rape victims who…

I can hold different people accountable for different reasons and at different levels. Jackie's rapists are violent criminal predators that deserve to be thrown in jail for a long time. There's nothing to be done to her friends accept call them terrible, and I'm doing that. Is it hard to have something like this…

I never argued that Jackie should report the crime. I argued that her friends should have tried to get her medical treatment for her severe injuries rather than worry about getting into frat parties in the future- you know, prioritizing her well-being over their own shallow concerns. You can be pragmatic and realistic…

This is not about being an "amazing" person- it's about being a basically decent human being. Your standards for other people's behavior are scarily low if you think 18/19 year olds can't put a friend's who was brutally assaulted needs first. Just because there are a lot of terrible people in no way mitigates their…

I agree that rape victims are often treated horribly by our justice system and society. But you are advocating that it is understandable and OK for bystanders/outcry witnesses to pressure a rape victim into silence to protect their social lives down the line. It may be true that Jackie's friends correctly predicted…

Look, we disagree. I think judging her friends as horrible human beings is totally fitting their actions. You think a rape victim reporting a crime or seeking out medical care is "taking down everyone around them".

The female friend who was so concerned about reputations later told Jackie that she didn't understand why Jackie didn't enjoy her rape because the guys were "hot Phi Si" guys. You keep projecting altruism on her motives to silence Jackie. She wasn't talking honestly with Jackie about the complicated and difficult…

One of them refuses to be interviewed for the article citing loyalty to his current frat. They are all assholes.

Their advice was so far from "sound"- I can't believe you are advocating that it is OK to encourage a rape victim to be silent in order to protect non-victims' reputations.

Nowhere have I criticized Jackie in any of this. I was criticizing her friends for being self-centered callous assholes. You keep making excuses for their behavior as if any of it was motivated to protect Jackie when they were clearly motivated by their own shallow self-interests.

Have you read the article? I'm not advocating for rape victims to turn themselves into martyrs. But if a friend calls you right after a brutal gang rape and you find her beaten and bleeding the only appropriate response is to try to convince her to get medical care. She could have been internally bleeding, not to…

I wanted to add that her female friend didn't want to report it because she was worried about her own ability to pledge the Greek system. She was NOT looking out for her friend but purely considering her own shallow and stupid needs.

She had been brutally beaten and raped and was bruised and bloody when her friends met her outside the frat house. Regardless of making a report to the police, her friends should have taken her to a hospital purely for her to get appropriate medical care.

It's especially frustrating because one of her male friend's initial reaction was spot on: he was horrified and wanted to take her to the hospital immediately. It's just incerdibly disappointing that it was her female friend who talked them out of it. Jackie, the victim, was too traumatized to take any initiative on…

If you read the article one of her friends (a man) suggests taking her straight to the hospital right after her rape. Her female friend starts freaking out about "Jackie's" and their reps in the Greek system getting ruined if they report the rape. The female friend convinces the two male friends (they were all…

LIAR!

I've had the exact same experience. I'm a freelancer and I've even heard people say that they men with kids "need" the job more than a single person or married woman- when everyone needs their jobs for different reasons.