Manu Bennett had a falling out with the producers over the way his character was treated during his return in season 3 (IIRC he didn't like that Thea was able to hold her own against him), and he's been pissy about Arrow ever since.

I don't think he had perfected them yet-all they did was blow up (Felicity used one to blow a hole in a wall at some point).

Who knew shippers were responsible for the miserable murder mystery and LoA storyline in season 3, and the completely ridiculous use of magic and nukes in season 4. Olicity sure has a wide and awful reach!

I think she was totally being honest about Oliver being the love of her life on her deathbed (even though she had no idea it was her deathbed since she thought she was gonna be fine and died of an embolism, but whatever), and I thought that was incredibly sad/borderline pathetic.

As an Olicity fan, I enjoyed this episode. Mainly because I never got the sense that this was Oliver's greatest fantasy - that it was a play off of yesterday's revelation to Barry that he'd love to have his parents back, and that Sara would love to have Laurel back. Framed by an event that would've brought everyone…

I think he already did invent T-spheres, didn't he? Pretty sure they were around last year as an invention he was working on at Palmer Tech. Not sure why he isn't actually using them though.

I'm glad they finally put a cap on the Oliver/Laurel relationship and that Oliver got some closure there - I liked that Oliver admitted that he wasn't the man she fell in love with and that she deserved better. I never understood Laurel hanging on to that relationship to the point where he was still the "love of her…

There should definitely have been more fallout from Havenrock.

But what is she lying about?

Sara said they were watching the ship.

Not really. What exactly would be the point of her telling Diggle that Barry changed the timeline and erased a daughter he never knew from an existence he doesn't remember? So he can feel some vague sadness about something he can't get back?

I think that article always mentioned Hawkgirl-even before she appeared on any of the shows.

I wish he went by something else because every time someone mentions him I immediately think…Human Resources?

I thought it was boring as well (I'd actually teeter more towards the boring AND awful side). It was a lot of exposition, but at the same time I was also still lost because despite all the time they spent explaining things, I don't watch LoT, so I don't know what the Stein thing was? Is his daughter going to play some…

I agree that getting rid of the metaphysical BS has helped, and the tone is somewhat better.

It's funny - I see a lot of praise for Arrow this season - and after the absolute mess that was last season, I do find this one at least less painful to watch and more entertaining. But the show hasn't really gotten any *better.*

I think Guggenheim just likes getting people riled up and letting them know that no matter how influential they think their fan base is, it ultimately isn't. He's antagonized comic fans and Laurel fans previously - Olicity shippers are getting their turn this season.

I think the writers on this show write romance well when it isn't a narrative focal point. Using romantic drama for plot is ill-advised, because they are bad-writing machines when it comes to that, so I think the best thing they could do wrt Olicity is just put them together, let them be happy and supportive, and just…

I don't think Oliver and Felicity are over based on the heart eyes and smiles in the last scene - and that they pretty much anviled that Felicity's breakup with her BF is imminent-but I could be wrong. For a "moving on" ep, it sure didn't seem that way to me.

I would say hold out until the mid season and see if the quality stays high. IMO they usually start off strong and then go in the toilet in the mid season eps, and I'm still not sure we aren't headed there this season too.