Yeah, it was a great subtle signal for how terrible it was that he didn't say her name. Not only was it erasing her identity, but everyone who has a young woman at that prison has cause to worry.

I think maybe the point was that it was a totally stupid and wrong-headed moment for Caputo to grow a backbone? Because yeah, not firing Bayley is a terrible call no matter how you look at it. There's no way he can walk in that prison again and have anything like a normal CO function.

I had a similar problem but from the opposite direction. The quirky/clever dialogue started to grate on me as shit got more serious. Like, an audience can handle it if you don't make a capital-j Joke for 10 minutes.

God it is just so real and so sad that Poussey wound up in prison and dead over NOTHING. That's probably the best Brown/Garner line they could've drawn and it's just so fucking painful. Killed over selling loosies and stealing cigars — oh, I mean carrying some drugs for a night out and standing in an empty lot.

God, I really fucking hope she does at the same time as I really don't want her to ruin her life like that and basically never get to hold her kid. Great job of the show putting us in her shoes though.

Well, the inmates were mostly arrested in NYS because it's an NYS prison, and he probably lives around there for the same reason, so it's not such a coincidence. I do think the fact that both he and Poussey got caught for the EXACT same crime and then wound up on opposite ends of the bars is a bit coincidence-y, but…

I really hope that's what they intended, because "I have to constantly try not to rape you, and also I don't really understand how rape isn't romantic or sex" is NOT a sympathetic character angle.

The whole arc of her night really should have come off as over the top or cheesy but it was just too charming. Samira Wiley's raw charm probably has a lot to do with it.

I think you totally mis-read the scene between Pennsatucky and Coates. I think she was horrified by his admitting that he had to try not to rape her in that final scene. She had thought it was a mistake he could learn from, but apparently it's a part of who he is, a disgusting and probably unforgivable part. I hope…

That's true, I forgot about that.

I think part of it is that the other women in the prison don't (as far as I can remember) actually know how fucked up her shit gets, and it kind of does look more like "playing pretend" to them.

Oh, I'm not arguing that it's a unique tragedy because it was Poussey, just that, I guess, it would also be a unique tragedy if it was one of the women who did morally compromise themselves over the course of the show, like Pennsatucky or Ruiz or Taystee or Red. But that's not to downplay that it is so fucking sad to…

Poussey's death wasn't an accident. It was neglect and lack of training.

That's actually an aspect I was worried about in terms of it being Poussey. I totally disagree that it's more sad because Poussey hasn't made the kind of major bad decisions that many of the other girls have. It was sad because Poussey has been here since the beginning and we know so much about her, but I don't think…

I don't think all the damage can really lie at Piscatella's feet here. Caputo seriously fucked up with his unwillingness to grow a spine and do the right thing. I know he wasn't able to see the future any more than we were, but the day the girls spent at the lake seems like a lot less of a catastrophe, I bet, compared…

I mean, she doesn't suffer from the same type of delusions as Lolly, i.e. actual hallucinations, but she clearly suffers from delusions, which are severely paranoid and which she can't control.

Exactly. I totally disagree that she's an antagonist. Piper was an antagonist when she was still being a moron panty kingpin. Ruiz is making a mistake with her smuggling but she doesn't seem like a bad person at all. Her point about Piscatella was dead on.

I've planned on doing a re-watch of the show and god, it's going to be so fucking sad watching four seasons of Poussey being the greatest.

I don't know that a character death has ever landed for me as much as this one did. Because of the pacing of OITNB and the general success at creating a world within the prison, it really feels like a person was there one day and now she won't be there ever again and it's such a colossal, senseless tragedy.

It was definitely too on the nose for me, but I really liked the earlier part, and how appalled the intellectual Nazi seemed by the other Nazi's illiteracy. It's interesting to see the hierarchies form even there.