“That’s it guys, the spring is cancelled. You’re off to Alaska”

Modified, but modified before the first prototype even flew. So can we drop the issue now?

First, for some reason, you have raised an issue out of a non-issue. Both Typhoon and Rafale were unable to perform ground attack until the late 2000s (not counting those modified quickly for PR reasons).

And that is why they need to be stopped. Muslims coming from Middle east are entirely different from the muslims already living in Europe for a generation or more.

Then why don’t you prove me wrong with some credible evidence?, Because all the literature that I’ve read and all the people I have talked to (including an ex-RAF pilot) have backed my claims.

That stands, but we were discussing one far greater issue - MANPADS. There has been a heavy proliferation of such systems in Syria, mostly in the hands of the rebels, but sometimes with ISIL as well.

I am being factual. Just because we have hurt your national pride doesn’t mean you can distort widely known facts. Those facts are:

Crusaders were used for interception. FAA Etendards weren’t shot down as they never got close enough to be engaged, they were used only for stand-off Exocet strikes. On that note, at least one of the Etendards leased to Iraq was shot down in the early to mid 80s.

Everyone, chill!

Crusaders were used for interception. FAA Etendards weren’t shot down as they never got close enough to be engaged, they were used only for stand-off Exocet strikes. On that note, at least one of the Etendards leased to Iraq was shot down in the early to mid 80s.

They are not refugees, they are economical immigrants. Two thirds of them are men aged approx 18-35. Those who come with families get pushed in the limelight, often by themselves, in order to generate sympathy.

Your opinion is a travesty. Europe is not a police state, and before the it was invaded by the immigrants, the Schengen system was actually one of its greatest successes. That’s what set the Europe apart from the rest of the world, in a good way.

The plane was barely standard, the Exocet was the name of the game. Etendard was only a way to deliver them in the killing range.

Check this out - French Navy was using the ultra-obsolete F-8 Crusaders until the late 90s, simply because they had nothing else. The same goes for Etendard, it wasn’t much of an aircraft, but it could use some of the latest weapons. That’s why Argentina and Iraq had used them (Exocets), and French have kept them for…

No, it was the politics and the national pride. Jaguar was a better choice in every aspect, from having two engines to the actual performance.

You see, you are very wrong about that. Typhoon and Rafale fit the same roles. French government chose to back out from the Eurofighter as it wanted to either have a majority role in the project or to have an entirely domestic product. A simple matter of national pride and profit, not the actual performance of a…

Not only the French, but the Argentinian Etendards have also flown from the US carriers:

I would put the use of MANPADS in Syria on par with their use in various 20th century wars such as Angola or Yugoslav wars - not as prominent as in the Soviet Afghanistan war, Arab-Israeli or Gulf wars, but still damaging enough to result in a wider strategic impact.

What the hell are you talking about? Rafale is a perfect combat aircraft.

If you would go through my post history, you would see that I also complain about the bad acts perpetrated the Unites States; most recent being the several posts yesterday regarding the Kunduz MSF hospital bombing.