I've made this comment elsewhere, but when you drive mostly in a rural area you can feel the range anxiety and definitely plan ahead. My town had one pump open until 6pm on weeknights, earlier on weekends. Next pump was probably 20 miles away and also not open that late. Always good to have a can of gas in a pinch. 

Growing up in a semi rural area, we always planned our trips carefully. One gas station in town that closed at 6 most days (12 pm on Sundays). 20-ish miles to the next station. And even those weren’t open that late. You learned to never let the tank get too low. Though if you knew Brad and Judy, they might turn on the…

Given the size of the US market and federal incentives, it's really surprising Subaru isn't moving nearly all their manufacturing to the US. 

Wut? I'm taking delivery at a local Ford dealer. Build date scheduled, not sure how long it takes to show up at the dealership once it's built. 

March 2023. I got in under the last window this past summer. 

I’m hanging in there for the hybrid Maverick. Build date scheduled for middle of March. I have no idea how accurate these dates are and how long it takes to go from build to dealer.

Amazing how cable solved what Netflix is trying to do. My MIL has a beach house and has to pay for internet and cable at both her homes. That physical cable from the utility pole is a very tough item to share.

I tend to agree, but just in case I’ll print out this thread and include it with my taxes. 

Just wait until Elon gives Ye the first one. 

Agreed. All the major players are investing in capacity here in the US. A player like VW would be right to complain about its BEV investments in TN that may or may not pay off. 

I’m looking at this right now. A TN ID.4 build is arriving today at my local dealer and I need to decide if I still want it without the $7500 federal tax credit. The Manchin bluster is giving me pause. 

How are other OEMs not competing on a global stage? Almost all of them are in global markets. Tesla operates in supposedly high cost California and has to work with unions at its newest plant in Germany. And I did not exempt other OEMs from fraud. VAG and others have been caught up in Dieselgate emissions cheating…

The car buying experience can be critical. My MIL will only go to one Lexus dealership for all service and purchases. They treat her well and it’s not worth her hassle to try something new. 

I tend to keep my cars for a long time, but after getting my first Mazda due to it being a deal, I have stuck with them two more times. That seems less likely now as my wife is looking for something a bit more fuel efficient than the 6 and Mazda doesn’t offer anything other than “Skyactiv”.

What money is realistically saved? Tesla directly employs its sales and service staff as well as assuming the real estate and equipment costs of said centers. While I'm sure there are potential savings by using this model, the cost is not as low as many would think. 

Ummmm, did you just describe a demand cliff? 

Price. Remember when Tesla teased the $25 car a few years ago at a battery day event? 

Sure, but when your sales are gangbusters you don’t deeply discount your prices. It seems like Tesla is facing a demand cliff and taking drastic action to put off a potentially huge drop in sales. If sales slowed enough the stock would continue a further downward trend that might materially impact Elon’s bottom line.

Yeah, but how does this differ from all the other automakers? I’m in the market for an ID.4 and my wife would like the big glass roof. That’s a big jump in price from the PRO to the PRO S. 

Look, it’s hard for me to say this with any certainty. I fail to see how efficient they can be when they have sprung tents and have been building cars by hand. I’m also not interested in figuring out how software sales (FSD for $15k) and credits figure into this mythical and amazing profit margin. If Tesla is so…