Agreed. About 36" waist currently as a guy and classify as overweight/borderline obese. Our increased sizes have become normalized to a terrifying degree.

Then you haven’t been paying attention.

I went from an ‘08 IS350 to an off-lease ‘07 LS460 years ago. Just as fast in a straight line, rolled in the corners but was otherwise like driving a fast comfortable couch.  I’ve since owned an ‘11 GS460, ‘15 GS350 and now ‘21 LC500 Convertible.  All bought for half price or less, except the LC.

So an ambulance was called for medical reasons (per the thread, a diabetic man had a seizure) and an employee crashed into a post while maneuvering a tractor in the repair bay. It sounds like two relatively mundane incidents are being blown out of proportion.

1st Gear: Musk just wants to boost the value of the emissions credits he’s selling. There ain’t nothing high-minded about his statement. He’s a frickin’ rent-seeker. His whole house of card is built on a foundation of government subsidy.

No, they treat it as a deeply unpleasant undertaking that they can avoid by spending less time and more money.

It’s worth noting that to realize a $7500 tax credit, you have to be making a decent amount of money to begin with.

more vaporware companies popping up trying to get their piece of the cake and repeat tesla’s unrepeatable success wont do shit to help anyone but investors.

Sounds like some of them, most?, are used. Talking to all the old guys before covid, they couldn’t sell their HD bikes for more than $5k, I assume this is still the case.

Somewhere along the way the term ‘luxury’ got confused with ‘expensive’.

It literally looks like a 2007-2014 Tahoe minus the rear window cut

I was trying to flip a $3500 IROC Camarovirus this time last year. I was willing to trade for another old car, as I stared in my ad. However, I was amazed at how many people wanted trade for a less than 20 year old H-D. I’m not really a bike guy, but it really made me think that the used H-D market is so saturated…

I have (had) a buddy who was a fairly normal dude before his first harley. He is now the typical harley stereotype. Not sure if it was already inside him waiting for harley to hatch it out of if the harley is that infectious that it can change someone just like that. Either way, me no wanty.

Its not the price of Harleys thats the problem. Its the people who ride them.

Counter-point; the Ducati Scrambler series has been a big hit, and they are low-cost entry level bikes. 

I totally agree, and it doesn’t matter whether they’re going after Dentist or a Millennial, any talk about where this bike slot between a KTM, Triumph, BMW or Honda is wasted calories.

I’d still buy a V-Strom 1000 XT and pocket the change for gas, insurance, tires and oil changes.

That drives me insane. Nobody would blink if you rolled up in a brand new loaded Explorer, but drive a decade old German car you got for $10k and they think you’re Richie Rich.

I’d like to see their drivetrains in other vehicles. I abhor their interior and exteriors but I genuinely appreciate the tech in the drivetrains.

Googled XB trucks and found this cool little thing.