Quality is more important than quatity. Just because there are more women doesn’t mean there are more fantasitic options to date, or that will date you.

I agree, but we (the U.S.) have had 44 male presidents. Even when we belatedly stopped preventing women from voting and generally taking part in the political process (a shame we had to make that transition) we’ve still only had male presidents.

:) I have taken many a hiatus from dating so as not to deal with the bullshit. I hear ya.

The women I dated for 5 years and planned to marry in my 20s cheated on me. The women since then have either been emotionally unavailable, stubborn assholes after several months, or princesses that believe that a relationship is what a guy does for them. There are great women out there, but they aren’t easy to find.…

Absolutely agree.

I mostly agree with that. Though I’m skeptical about the idea that online dating presents so many options that men won’t settle down.

That’s great. And yet we, as the paragon of democracy, have yet to do so.

No, it’s never 100% equal, which is why I keep saying what’s important is someone willing to try to meet in the middle. No relationship always does so, but if the effort and willingness aren’t there, then it’s never going to happen.

Not really. Most shy guys are happy, maybe more than happy to find a shy girl as well, so there isn’t a major personality clash. But since it’s hard to figure out whether a shy girl even has any interest or not, the shy guys are often reluctant to ask her out because the assumption is, well, she must not be…

Yeah, there are plenty of people out there like that. And they are the one’s getting in their own way of having a decent relationship. But that’s entirely different, in my mind, from someone who is willing to put in the effort to make inevitably imperfect relationships become as good as they can be, not wanting to be…

I’m saying I want someone to do everything I want? Where exactly?

And yet there are plenty of women that find themselves also single in their 30s and 40s and 50s. And there are plenty of men that think about these things in their 20s. Sexist assumptions don’t really help anyone.

But that’s assuming there were plenty of ready partners for it that they passed up. Just because someone is single doesn’t mean they must have passed up great, compatible partners. You don’t assume the same for women do you?

That’s exactly the point I’m getting at. Real relationships take work. And they need something that goes beyond physical attraction to be able to last.

I mean, I agree, but I think it’s often just used as shorthand to say: avoid bad relationships that don’t work. That’s how I’m using it.

No one’s saying let’s feel super sorry for these single guys. But what’s happening here is that they’re being dumped on simply for being single. As though that’s some huge crime. And yes, it’s with plenty fo assumptions that they must have done nothing but slept around, or cheated, or were bad partners. Most posters…

The only thing stopping a woman from bneing direct is herself. Putting yourself out there is hard. It would make it easier on everyone if women actually did it too.

No ones talking about dating in high school. I’m talking about dating in your 30s and up.

This is hilarious. So they should be ridiculed for trying to find someone younger yet they also need to find someone younger.

Well then you can’t really complain that there are no guys out there that want to start families and who are interested in being good fathers when there are plenty out there that are being passed up. If it’s a priority for women, then go after those guys. If you’re not going after them, it’s clearly not as much of a…