It’s also about the challenge. Rock crawling is, from appearances at least, a bit of a skill. Not only in having the right tool for the job but knowing how to use it.

Twice bitches!

Maybe so but I think nothing is lost when a car is engaging and decent to drive and potentially everything stands to be gained. I too would love an Accord Sport.

I mean, it was the engineers driving it, so they kinda did build it themselves.

You know what’s cool? Getting to your destination without trouble. Toyota makes cars that do exactly that. And I find that something worth celebrating, not a target of derision.

The truth is, most driving is boring these days, regardless of what you’re driving. The daily traffic-riddled commute, popping out for groceries, etc. I do those things in a highly entertaining car, and they still aren’t exactly what I’d call fun.

All valid points. I’ve driven a recent (2105) Camry. V6, in fact. It was “nice” enough, but there’s no...passion. No excitement, nothing to _really_ like about it. I’m not saying it was a bad car, just not a good car for me.

Mate, do you write automotive columns? Because that was some rack-ety(briliant) prose.

Your argument for Toyota is 100.0% the same as the argument for a minivan. I’m not being critical—I think minivans can be incredibly logical choices—but I’m just pointing out a fact.

It’s not about if your drive is boring it’s about how boring your car is to drive. It’s pretty pathetic that for as much negative feedback there is on the lancer’s dull interior (which it as dull compared to cars that came out in 2008) that it’s interior is now better than what toyota is cranking out. I will never get…

I’ve been loving my boring as sin Avalon. Sure it’s nothing like my 350z or ST, but I’m not in my 20's and have kids now. When I have mid life crisis money we can talk fun driving again lol.

I’d like to add that it’s also in large part how you drive. I once read an article in one of those print magazines (so much nostalgia), probably 15 years ago, that one legendary racecar driver (sorry, forgot name) practices the racing line during day-t0-day driving — going the speed limit of course. I give myself…

My BRZ was more fun on back roads and the track. But my WRX is the better commuter, and that’s 99% of my driving.

Well i certainly enjoy my 5-mile drive to work in my ‘07 Mazda3 with moderately good tires and Tein H-Springs... it’s no racer but it hugs and it’s got a shift knob.

The cars I most enjoy are unreliable as hell, so in the interest of getting things accomplished I grudgingly drive something boring. It’s a tough balance.

I can see that. When I test-drove a Subie STI it felt all sprung up, ready to go HAM. At some point when the wife and I were first at a stoplight, I wound it up to 3,500RPM, popped the clutch and BOOM, off like a bat out of hell. F-ing fantastic. Wife screamed in terror, but in a few seconds we caught up to traffic…

Agree. That’s why I’m a big fan of the Mitsubishi Mirage.

I gotta disagree. I think everyone benefits from a car like a Mazda 6 or an Accord Sport instead of a Camry or a Corolla. The Mazda and the Honda are perfectly engaging. They don’t demand anything of their drivers but they give back just a bit more if the freeway happens to have a bend in it. Everyone enjoys good…

but if you’re in the market for a set of drums, you’d ask your drummer first for recommendations, right?

I think you are spot on regarding popularity, I’d wager the numbers probably back it up.