"cool and crazy people". Why am I not there?

My thoughts exactly. Moore spent far too much time idling away Laird Boy Turach in Paris and not enough developing Culloden and the farewell.

Or an American playing upper class English. No one wants to repeat the horror that was Gwyneth as Emma. We've all moved on!

Ooooh yeah. We've talked about the attitudes of the book fans a number of times. There are quite a lot who are zealous.

Tool for someone else's ideas is a great way of putting it. Those deleted scenes do show Jamie being much more grown up. I think it was Traci who posited an almost anti-Jamie conspiracy which, prima facie, is plausible.

I'm not so sure I'm with you on that one. I'm a book reader, although I came to the books via the show so that may count, and I'm not so sure that the adaptation per se disappoints me, more the poor quality of the S2 plots and the poor characterization of the main protagonists.

I didn't see him as Boy Laird so much in S1. Agreed there were moments, at Lallybroch especially, but he did have lots of Warrior Jamie as well - solving the allegiance pledge, fronting Dougal about the shirt business, rescuing Claire AGAIN, toughing it out with BJR's torture, chastising Claire about sticking her…

I did watch them and you're right. That scene after the homecoming where Colum threatens Claire and Jamie stiffens, then becomes very still and then quietly threatens Colum right back was a very good Heughan moment. Very un-Jamie the Boy Laird.

I wonder if Moore will run the Walking Dead "We're not afraid to kill off a beloved character" tosh when he kills Murtagh.

Exactly.

That was a very long post. Apologies all. I couldn't seem to stop once I got going.

Yes, Jessica Jones is also a good one.

AND I want to see a half dozen Oxford history dons on set, gasping and finger wagging at any deviation from recorded history. AND I want the script fully contrasted with other narratives of the past, such as mythological, oral or archaeological traditions.

On the subject of historical fiction, I'm happy that the telly produces so much historical fiction that it reigns supreme, but I don't understand why the historical record is dispensed with in favour of the dramatic.

I'm with you on that one.

Exactly. I want to play tennis, buy shoes and go to lunch.

Sorry to bring up Joss Whedon AGAIN but he set the standard for female characters which has yet to bested. It bugs me that female leaders on TV all have to have fatal flaws for e.g. Carrie Homeland is bi-polar, Samantha SATC was sexually liberated to the point of mental illness, Lisa Simpson unlucky in love, Olivia…

The marry the violent rapist paedophile nut job strategy was a good one. He'll be dead in 72 hours and Mary gets the dough. I've heard worse ideas.

Hey, watch that "pretty boy" talk. He may be a pretty boy but he's my pretty boy. Or at least he will be once I've sent him thousands of begging letters and offered to pay him money.

I also think it's telling (sorry to go on and on) that Heughan may be resorting to acting tics because he's left with few options.