without a manual and with AWD, all that differentiates the M3 from the regular 3 Series will be a tune, looks, 400 M badges, and some suspension bits. Just like the rest of the damn market: all essentially the same cars with the same bits in varying states of tune. Sure, it saves the manufacturer money...but remember…

exactly, those flaps work just fine and the Pagani can go almost 240mph. Again, the Speedtail is not moving the goalpoasts at all, and it just isn’t fast enough or accelerate fast enough to justify its “all in the name of aero and speed” compromises and flourishes.

If I had a family to cart around, this looks like a decent way to do it. Not that it is going to be anything fun to drive or anything, but it is a Honda van...that’s it.

errr not so sure about that. There are a lot of early “naughties” cars that are quite desirable for people, and some are even SUVs and sedans (E46 M3, E60 M5, Alfa Romeo 156 GTA, Audi RS4, etc.)

Yes the Type R is super duper special for an economy car from Honda. Never said the Cavalier was in any way equivalent. I am just saying that if a craptastic Dodge Dart with a slant 6 fetched crazy money because it was clean and had a lot of nostalgia attached to it, and a rare form of a 90s Honda economy car got $50k,…

as for the grammar...nope because the background of both those words is completely different

But my point stands. A 90s economy coupe that wasnt really that rare commanded that kind of money.

a 90s Integra just fetched like $50k or something recently. People will pay crazy money for great examples of the breed, even a Cavalier. Yes, even a Cavalier if it is special enough (Z24 for example) or perhaps a Beretta.

Have you seen what has happened to the nostalgia car crowd over the years? It is ridiculous. A bog standard boring Dodge Dart with a 6 fetches major money despite how ho hum it was. 90s cars have a lot of nostalgia attached to them, as seen by the explosion of events such as Radwood.

you can love the tech all you want, the problem is it is not good looking enough to be desirable, nor moving the goalposts whatsoever in terms of speed vs the likes of Koenigsegg. The flexible rear winglets seem a “because we could” kind of innovation rather than anything that was actually needed, and seems to take a…

and the green has nothing to do with eco, it is about jets

Wow I was joking, and also really do not care. Calm down.

if he was being a horrible racist, sure

Yes, Hitler was elected...but to call the process democratic is a stretch at best. Realpolitik was certainly at work, in its most dark form.

yep - Saabs were advanced and constantly pushing boundaries to make things better, but they still were a small independent outfit and reliability suffered accordingly. GM bought them and pillaged them for their turbo tech, and then gave them pennies to build new cars...albeit yes quality did go up, but innovation…

I have great hatred and prejudice against racists, all of them. Wait...does that make me a racist? Regardless, if true, his career should be over.

That link is for a 2007 9-3 2.0T. Not a TurboX. That website has only 2 nationwide manual wagons from 2008-2009, the years the TurboX was available...and they are 2.0T. So, as I said, good luck finding one!

zombie car company. Exist in name only.

OK I looked at the listing, didn’t see any low mileage TurboX manuals. Like I said, those are stupid rare.

you wont find any, they are unicorns to start with...