I'm imagining April and Andy from Parks and Rec and their Burt Maclin/Old Timey Crime Vixen role playing. Good stuff!

Oh my god I would love for her to get money from him, like lots of money. I too know about a thimbleful about MMA but I know that they, and War Hammer in particular, make BANK.

Not in and of itself, but specifically for fundraising there is a certain amount of finesse and a wide range of strategies that need to be employed in order to maximize what people are willing to donate.

Yeah I agree with you in those regards. I'm just willing to overlook it because it's for something positive and will contribute hopefully to a larger awareness.

Yeah, I can see why it's problematic for some for her to promote herself. Personally, I think she lost out on a lot financially when he nearly beat her to death so I'm okay with her getting paid and self promoting in addition to furthering her cause. Porn is her trade, she found a way to incorporate fundraising. I…

You mean the IRS right?

People who are into it exclusively are people who are likely to have other serious problems that probably fall into some troubling demographics. That is a separate issue. But going around and issuing judgements on someone who might want to experiment and actually isn't a bad person is also a dangerous pursuit. You're…

Right so because of that I don't presume to know that everyone who is into it is automatically fucked up.

That is the very nature of fundraising for non-profits though. Raising awareness does literally nothing. Why does it matter what they say or how they say it? If the dudes buying this shirt are too dense to realize that “raising awareness” is another way of saying “directing your funds to a good cause” then that is…

I see that, but I also don't see why it has to have meaning for everyone least of all someone who is already aware of DV issues and doesn't need to be marketed to this way. Of course it's meaningless to you, you are a smart person who would probably give to a cause like this anyways. It won't even have a whole lot of…

yeah I definitely see how it could be seen as problematic from the perspective of a survivor. that is something to consider for sure.

That is fucking weird, I’ll give you that. I just wouldn’t disparage this organization being a little subversive in getting funds. That’s just the nature of fundraising. I work in non-profits and have to campaign yearly and what doesn’t work is calling people up and saying “Donate to my cause, this is exactly what…

Might be gross to you but I can't help but feel that it was incredibly smart to market to people who literally wouldn't be bothered to give money under any other circumstance. Take their money first, then get the message out later when your program is fully funded. It's putting the cart before the horse in a way, but…

i completely agree it’s probably going to be wasted on them, but now they have partially funded a great cause. so maybe they don’t get it today, but it funds a group that will contribute to society as a whole getting it, so there may be hope yet for the person who buys this shirt with zero awareness.

the main thing I’m extracting from all of this is that it's a semantics game. the people behind this can't come out and say "hey pornhub bros, donate to our good cause" because that would never work. they frame it as "buy this hot shirt and raise awareness" because that is the way they figured they can tap an…

if the issue you have is that they are saying one thing, while doing another...i mean...advocacy groups don't function on awareness. they can raise awareness all they want, but unless that translates into money they aren't getting shit done. if you are buying something that is being tied to outreach they are going to…

Why not both? Doing ads and walk-a-thons are going to cater to one market, this a completely different one. I can guarantee that your average pornhub consumer isn’t going to click on an ad banner soliciting donations out of the goodness of their hearts.

And its completely non-sex positive. People from all walks of life are into some really really weird stuff and it doesn’t necessarily indicate they are beastly humans without positive attributes.

That’s the thing, this shirt isn’t being marketed to feminists. It’s being marketed to dudes who probably wouldn’t give money to a Salvation Army Santa, let alone go out of their way to donate to a DV advocacy group. If they become aware of the issues that is an added benefit to the primary benefit of taking their…

yeah i agree she somewhat a commodity in this context, but what guy that buys this shirt is going to donate to a cause like this of their own volition? its a bit of a shrewd business move, but there wouldn't be a way to tap this market otherwise.