Yeah, they sound pretty f’d. They are figuring out supply finally, but no longer have demand, because inflation has eaten into everyone’s savings to the point the ones who could afford a Lucid have bought one or are buying one, and interest rates are scaring others that might have financed it, away.

Yes, source: I am one of those people. I’ve been considering a Lucid or Rivian, and Lucid looks less appealing due to its backers/possibility of being bankrupt in a year.

Why would anyone buy this over, say a Model 3, given the price?

Hmmm, does “You can get better cars for the same price in China.” equate to “You can get shittier cars for cheaper and the average citizen doesn’t have money for a Tesla?” 

It’s just “boring and generic.”

The answer is: money.

It’s a truck with aerodynamics of a brick and a lot of weight. It’s not going to be great.

The Rivian has a 180 kWh pack with 400mi, so it seems pretty in line.

Remember, this is a concept.

But damn, bring it to production with no changes. 

People WANT hybrid/electric cars? Color me shocked.

I live in Dallas, and with an average-sized 3bdr house (~2100 sq ft) use about 1800-2200kwh in the summer months due to AC. Winters probably around 600-1200. Hot tub probably being the largest consumer.

62 cents per kwh.. my god y’all getting shafted.

OK, but use your personal example to ask if someone who makes 120k in SF should get that same credit? I don’t think region adjusting is really possible or exists.. would be incredibly complicated in terms of legislation.

The reality is that a trucker making 120k in WV is probably not in the market for a Nissan Leaf. If…

I think you should stay away from AGI and just focus on the vehicle price.

The number of things affecting AGI is already too high when you can’t consider the market of their AGI. You create an unfairness to those who live in a HCOL area that are probably already struggling due to the HCOL. 

Really? Living in Dallas the only time I see the express lanes as an option you’d want to use is when there is an accident on the interstate. And when that happens, the toll roads are scale-priced to something ridiculous, eg $15 to be on it for three miles, which a reasonable person is not going to pay, and therefore,…

I mean, you can want to do that, but there simply isn’t another manufacturer that has “on par” EV offerings today. We’re slowly getting there, I think.

A software engineer isn’t about to trade their Tesla in for a Bolt or Kia EV.

If Audi or BMW could make a reasonable EV that was competitively priced—maybe? Until there…

I think it’s because the public has shown they’re still willing to pay. Supply and Demand. Go to Cedar Point instead.

There’s a reason they’re nicknamed floating petri dishes.

Is someone really paying 92k for a Lincoln Aviator?

Yes, it doesn’t address every use case today. But it doesn’t need to. That can come in time. EVs don’t need 100% adoption tomorrow.

How often are you taking 1600 mile trips, though?

Even in this scenario, one occasion where it doesn’t work doesn’t inherently mean it doesn’t work.

Once or twice a year? You could always rent a gas car if it were that big of an inconvenience.

Regarding gas stations, you also need to consider that most, probably 90%,…

There’s a vocal minority. “An EV doesn’t fit my use case.” It isn’t going to fit 100% of use cases for some time. That’s fine, so long as it fits the majority of use cases. Or maybe they just hate change.

The price of EVs is the real issue, but until they can get demand down and supply up, I don’t know that that…