You sure opinion-checked the shit out of that sonuvabitch.

I want that to be true, but the only way I can figure it is if we're talking about a dramatic reduction in the demand for meat along with more sustainable production and harvesting methods. And note that this entire conversation has remained outside of all the ethical issues surrounding eating meat, which also merit…

Sleep tight with that horseshit. I count only one instance of moving the goal post and 4 logic mistakes in your last effort. But I agree, time to move on. One thing I do have to point out is that ecological impacts are definitely able to be measured by increasingly sophisticated metrics and studies. This ain't even…

Which reduces your carbon footprint more: A. Ethically sourcing vegetable products and avoiding meat; B. (your choice) Ethically sourcing meat and vegetable products ?

Then you're smarter than you seem. And you're backtracking to a really safe limb. "...no mass-produced farming of anything is good for the environment."

And yet accurate.

Uhhh... you DO have to eat SOMETHING. What you choose to eat is the single simplest choice you make regarding your impact on the planet. No meat = biggest positive impact.

To your first point: yes. Mass producing vegetables is significantly better by any metric than mass producing meat. Is it completely without consequence? No. But by leaps and bounds better.

Yep.

Why would someone like this moronic comment? That argument is my exact fucking point. The resources going into producing a pound of beans are WAAAAAAY less than producing a pound of meat. You basically proved my point for me. xoxo.

Hey hey hey! Say what you want about Leo, but the kid can, in fact, act.

I'm under the impression that you seem to conflate eating meat as the way to support ethical farming. Mainly because you said it over and over.

I'm not really trying to argue that you should eat no meat. My initial statement was a fact. Eating no meat completely solves the "meat causes UTIs" issue. You took issue with that.

Understood. But I kind of look at things this way: When the power goes out in a vegetarian's house, they don't really have to worry about anything in their fridge killing them most times. Shit goes bad, sure. Shit gets rotten as all hell. But the stuff that will get really gnarly and grow nasty things is not usually…

Also, pro-tip: an annual CSA membership providing weekly boxes full of herbs, fruits and vegetables is a completely legitimate way to support ethical farming.

Exactly.

You typed that. Doesn't make it true. But let's settle down. We basically agree. People should eat less meat. We just disagree on how we define "less" and on the impacts of small farms. For western jagoffs like you and me, I say we should go no meat for like ... a generation. Just to let the rest of the world catch a…

To inform the discussion: "Grass-grazing cows emit considerably more methane than grain-fed cows. Pastured organic chickens have a 20 percent greater impact on global warming. It requires 2 to 20 acres to raise a cow on grass. If we raised all the cows in the United States on grass (all 100 million of them), cattle…

Could we have free range systems in the US and meet our current demand? Asking because I don't actually know.

Sure. Your little cute farms are great — but only as long as we're dramatically reducing meat consumption. If we openly acknowledge that incredibly important sub-point in your thesis, then yup.