Given the reports that AWD will be about a 2k option I'm guessing that it will be something like 19k base. 21.5k for base AWD. 21k for Limited, 23.5 for Limited AWD. And 23k for a Summit and 25.5k for a Summit AWD.

Exactly. And it's all parts bin for the drivetrain. The only additional cost for the model will be the design elements. Remember, the base won't have AWD, or any lux features.

Being that the 500L that the car is based off of is 19.9k, look for the base Renegade to start around 19k for a base base model.

Bro, it gets better. It's gonna be an AWD manual Abarth!

Make it with a manual, Infiniti, and then we have a deal!

The new Golf is supposed to drop something like 100lbs along with gaining those 25-30 extra hp. It's gonna be a serious contender now with the STi and Evo.

The Italians like it kinky.

"(even if his direct sales idea is good and might be better for consumers he's still being a stubborn ass)."

Oh. And here's the review from the same magazine that you picked saying that the TL SH-AWD is faster in the 0-60, quarter, and handles better:

So I guess you don't know the difference between torque vectoring AWD and normal AWD...

So you pick a 2 door pony car for comparison? In fact, it is faster than the Accord and has torque vectoring AWD (a size able advantage). Don't even get me started on how bad it puts away it's competitors and other cars that cost the same. Get real dude. It's much more than just "an Accord".

So the current 6MT SH-AWD TL doesn't count as sporty? That thing puts down some mean numbers...

What's your thing lately with wind farms?

How is the truck thing still a secret? A year or so ago, Top Gear USA had Adam in a Lingenfelter Escalade.

Yeah, but won't the frames stay straight? I'm sorry, but I've seen more capability out of Tacomas than I have Raptors.

I love my K20. Doing the research, it's amazing how much power people are getting out of these engines, including N/A. 250 crank hp is nothing on these things, and 250whp is still attainable without going balls out.

Can't go wrong with some Fro-Ro hoonage. Shoulda kept going and pushed up into Winchester. There's quite a few awesome backroads up in my old neck of the woods.

It's absolutely hilarious to see this thread next to VS's post about how people don't give this guy a chance because of the badge lol

They don't make my idea 2-series. Why cant we get one with the diesel out of the 3 and 4?

I wanted the Polo before I found out the ultra-hot version would be made. This makes it that much worse >.<