That's fine, except for your assumptions about my opinions being "misguided pre-conceived notions". As I've reiterated countless times in this whole thread, opinions are based on personal experiences. In my personal experiences, HDs have been extremely unreliable and poorly built. Friends, family and acquaintances…

This is what happens to vehicles when you ignore the "factory scheduled maintenance" suggestions from a Valvoline Quik-Lube.

That's fair enough - opinions come down to personal experience and sounds like your H/D experiences have been better than what I've seen on my end.

My "math" is based on what I see at my local dealerships, and see what friends / acquaintances and family members are paying for their hogs.

So are wild, misplaced assumptions about personal character. I am stating my opinion based on my personal experiences, and I'm very sorry that those experiences have caused me to dislike what you like.

That's a fair and well-stated opinion, and I respect it.

This makes me want to go slide my E36 around some more!

Actually, I am a lot of fun at parties!

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize it isn't weird that people can buy incredible motorcycles for $10-15,000, both sports/superbikes and cruisers, while H/D can get away with charging twice as much for half the quality. We'll just sweep that racket back under the rug now.

I had to ride my dad's Street Glide (he broke his hand in an unrelated incident and wanted me to pick it up, from the service department - go figure) and I tried as hard as I could to shut off my previous H/D experiences during the ride, and I still couldn't like it. The unhappiest engine I've ever seen, it doesn't…

My dad was more about the old Norton Commandos and Kawasaki Triples throughout his younger life, riding those and later a Honda Valkyrie up and down the East Coast. In the past couple years he switched to full-dresser Harleys and seems like they see more service-department time than they see time on the road. My old…

They are indeed completely different machines, but I live in the middle of one of the biggest "Motorcycle Week" towns in the country which has a massive H/D dealership as well - I'm immersed in a sea of the clattering hogs. Throughout my life, friends and acquaintances have owned H/Ds and do nothing but complain about…

To echo a thought I mentioned in the Ducati post, I find it amazing that the fastest, most expensive and technologically-advanced machines can still cost $10-15,000 less than a Harley Davidson that's not only technologically inferior, but also has substantially worse build quality on all fronts. Image sells in America…

True, but people pay $25-30k+ for a stock Harley Davidson that's worse in every conceivable way!

I'm sure a good majority of people involved in the prosecution have driven just as fast in just as inappropriate of areas / times, perhaps even on their commute to the courthouse.

Ah, so that's where Monty Python's desk ended up.

Open differentials are no good. Ford E350s and Chevy 3500 vans with open differentials can get stuck on wet grass.

Game Over YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

My favorite car to use in Richard Burns Rally!

I respectfully disagree with your disagreement. The people I see driving the most aggressively are typically the ones doing so for no good reason. My favorite is when I'll watch some guy weave through lanes and cutting people off at a merge, just to turn off the road entirely within two hundred feet of the merge. Or,…