You’re right. This will also not really offer anything that truly differentiates it from the Wrangler in a meaningful way. It’ll also be pretty heavy. 

Nailed it. 

You’ve outlined why a lot of smart, capable and GOOD leaders (men and women both) never seek the office. They have zero interest in being put through that bullshit.

Maybe before condemning a possible centrist climate change policy, which is a dramatic improvement from where we are today, maybe we work to get any one of them elected so that we stop going backwards? Do you people think?

NASCAR’s fans sure think they are like a production car, given the ignorant uproar around this change. 

It’s been 40+ years since they’ve been anything close to a “stock car”. This is irrelevant. Most performance cars today are 18-20" wheels. 

That title would go to F1 pit crews. 

The comments on NBC Sports FB post about this are unbelievably hilarious. They’re very NASCAR. 

And this is why, IMO, F50 > F40.

There’s a reason I call it NASCRASH

Yes. 600s are still commonly used for Formula SAE cars weighing in at 400-450 lbs, and that is by far the fastest accelerating four-wheeled vehicle I’ve ever driven. 

Hard nope on the 2.3L. I lol’d. I drove several before buying the GT. That engine has no business in a Mustang because of the sound alone. I prefer the 3.7L V6 to it. 

Mazda has it right. 100% agreed.

This kind of thing, as it progresses to other OEMs further, will drive me to keep older cars. Until we have Level 4 autonomy for consumer vehicles (decades away), I do NOT want solely screens for HVAC, music or other often used controls. I’m 33, so it’s not because I’m some old fart. Usability and limiting distraction…

Old is better. They goofed it just like Ford goofed the ‘18 Mustang refresh. 

A 6th Gen camaro you can see out of, and is gorgeous.

It’s very ugly, but because of design choices. Stainless steel is notoriously difficult to form, and as such, doesn’t lend itself to anything but flat slabs or just mild, low-depth stamping.

I don’t hate it (like I despise Ford using the Mustang name on the Mocky), but it’s got SOOOO many things to make fun of. 

This thing is going to weigh 4 tons or damn near 4 tons curb weight. Almost certain. 

It also weighs a jillion pounds because of that, and being thick gage stainless.