50 ft of water should be trivial for any certified scuba diver. The recreational “limit” (I use quotation marks because it’s not like there is scuba police out there) is 60 ft.

Sweet. So you’re going to provide a better source than I have, right? Proving me wrong, right?

Uses sporadic and weird punctuation and capitalization, calls dude out for super common mis-spelling.

There’s 675 HD dealers in the USA. You’d need a sample size of ~245 to get a confidence level of 95%

My entire point is that you claim a huge part of HD’s success was war vets coming home and buying HD’s because of the war. But that same exact scenario didn’t save Indian, and Indian effectively went out of business in 1953. There were eight years in there for war vets to buy Indians. And yet somehow HD made it and…

I agree with a lot of your story, but at the same time it ignores Indian.  A lot of servicemen drove Indians in the war.  Indians were HD competitors.  And yet, Indian died shortly after the war and each attempt to revive them basically flopped until Polaris finally got the name.  And even then, while successful, it…

BMW has the CE 04...

Most people that have ridden one, love it.

I wanted to scope out a F800R at my local BMW dealer. They had it parked so close to other bikes on the dealer floor that you could stand in front of it, or behind it. You couldn’t do anything else. They weren’t willing to move it so I could swing a leg over it.

Why bring up RE at all, if it wasn’t meant to contrast it to HD?  And I took his statement to be comparing RE (retro) to HD (the meathead football player).  Not as a comparison between the bike and the rider.

But that being said, why in the hell is there a negative story about HOG struggling when they are running 13+% Net Profit. They are making bank.

One is retro but curious and cosmopolitan, the other is the meathead football player you went to high school with and never moved away.

I don’t want to sound like I’m shitting on RE’s, because I’m not.  But there’s a reason they are so cheap.  Comparing it to a HD is weird.  If you want to compare retro bikes to HD in an attempt to make HD look stupid, use Triumph.

I’ve been wanting a ‘Stich since forever basically. Now that I’ve got the means, I don’t ride enough. Maybe their Ride More guarantee is true, and I’d ride more if I had a Aerostich.

Their a publicly traded company. Just bother to click the “Financials” section for their stock ticker and you’d quickly realize you sound like a complete idiot. Hint: How does ~$59M of licensing revenue (remember, revenue is just gross sales....) translate to $1.9B in gross profit?

Certainly more than two, plus I frequent a few motorcycle websites filled with commenters who are riders (and typically not HD riders) and my general take is most feel similar to I do... though, BMW is usually commenters favorite or least favorite and rarely somewhere in the middle.

Bullshit.

So your experience is from two specific dealers... lol.

It’s far easier for the motorcycle ignorant to just rag on Harley. I’m not a Harley guy, have never owned a Harley, but to think HD is just some poor performing t-shirt company is some old-ass, ignorant trope that gets trotted out by dumb writers and commenters.

“Go into a Harley dealer looking to buy a LiveWire, and the sales staff will steer you away from those “candy-ass” electric bikes because they’re sure you really want a throbbing V-Twin between your legs.”