Link to analysis saying 80k? That sounds like the outlier to me. Other reports I have seen was 36k, but that was a 6yo report. 

Thats the great thing about average. Maybe an accord is worse, but a camry is better, but they average out to the numbers stated in the article.

Ha, yes, wait for my 9 or 12yo to get older and push them to be electricians! ;-)

This is what a lot of people can’t seem to grasp. The cost of fuel really adds up. 

The next big leap is getting home solar systems affordable enough that the majority of people that can afford a new car can afford solar. This not only reduces demand on the grid, to power things like electric cars (or more so lately, AI data centers), but it ensures its clean energy. 

2011 Toyota Sequioa towing our 21ft travel trailer. I expected poor mpg, averaging 9.5 over a 2 week 3200 mile trip.

But the drive from Fresno up to the camp spot before going into Yosimite.... 6mpg. The climb up that hill at 25-30mpg was brutal, and I was very glad I had added an aftermarket (with Tundra factory…

The “More metal is safer”:

I still remember an argument with someone on here that insisted this was true. I had made the statement “I wont put my kids in an old 50/60s vehicle due to the poor crash worthiness”. He clamied I was a fool, and just “drive safer”, as if I have 100% control over everyone on the road.

Sorry…

I always laugh at the people “I don’t have time to plug my car in all the time!” but you do have time to drive out of your way, stop at a gas station, and go through all that rigmarole every week. It takes 5 seconds to plug in an electric car. You sound like the type of person on your front porch yelling at the kids “G…

It should be rare that a cop would need to charge out in the field. Charge at the station overnight on a lv 2 charger, come in to a “full tank” every day, and do your shift. 

Why do we need the X, the Y has more range, normal doors, and significantly cheaper. 

Yeah i read that like “what the heck” 630 miles, and needing to stop for 1 hour? 2 stops of 10 minutes each, which would be only slightly longer then the 2 stops they would have done to use the restroom and fuel up in an ICE.

Looks like they are using the 3, which is about the size of the Civic, and much smaller then a crown vic or Exploder they are use to. They should have gotten Ys if interior space was the goal. 

What I came to say, my vote is Pilot 4s... 

Yes exactly, that’s why Tesla has sold 5.8 million cars...

Must be your area, I rarely see much of a discrepancy is reported price vs what actual price is. Since its crowd sourced information, if people are not reporting the prices they will not get updated.

Sorry, but until I see some analysis of this study is done I am ignoring because it doesnt pass the 1st level BS meter.

Suggested SIL check out the Ioniq 6 lease. By the time they gave her the numbers, it was $2400 down and $300 a month. Also the buyout at the end was basically the sale price (35k). They said it was due to taxs? Seemed sketchy, but it was a 372 range version, and she got it up to 15k per year for only $10 more. So she…

Sooo, only the stuff in the last 60 years has been bad, but thats not enough to justify calling it “All”? 

The problem is ignorance. People just havent driven an EV very much, and definitly not on longer trips. I just did 3100 miles in a 3 RWD. I was worried the family would be annoyed by the charging stops, but it actually worked out great, kids got out and played at parks, or had lunch. Sceptical wife at the end said she…

Gosh, to bad there will be no improvements in EV performance over the next 12 years...