Well, they have it priced like a Harley.

Looks like fat middle aged dentist has some good truck options now!

Totally agree. What’s a BMW rider now? A guy on a /5? A woman on an S1000RR? A younger person on an F800GS?

Probably because the margins are higher. 

As someone who used to sell Harley’s, I’d steer customers away from the small bikes as well. Most people come in because their friend/neighbor/whoever has a street glide and they ride a couple hours down to the keys every weekend. So they come in wanting the cheapest way to do the same thing. What inevitably happens…

Harley Davidson is a T Shirt company. They make motorcycles too?

Harley will end up in business school textbooks as the poster child for its myopic double-down strategy. When they were flush with cash, they knew exactly who their customer was. They had to know that the goalposts were moving this entire time. A simple survey or, hell, a trip out to Sturgis, would confirm it.…

They’d never get their own dealers to buy in on this. The biggest hindrance that HD has to change and renewal is their own dealers. They are assholes who actively deride the customer base. And the old guys seem to lap it up, because... I have no idea because why, but they do. It turns new customers off though, even…

Let’s not confuse displacement with power. Harley has a knack for wringing as little horsepower as possible out of that 750cc. Those engines are gigantic lumps of iron, dressed up with several feet of chrome pipe to give it a rumble that some people might mistake for an exhaust leak. Riding a Harley is like…

I would assume they would dump back the seawater into the ocean after they’ve extracted whatevs they need?

Absolutely- my brother in law rides one, and he’s a dear man. But you’re missing the point- it’s not that all Harley riders are these assholes; rather, it’s that the Harley Lifestyle has become intimately associated with the asshole contingent and H-D has actively catered to the “My Hog My Rules”/ “Bike Size is a…

Yup, the fart machines can die and the company that sells them can die too.  It’s their customers who have turned the general populace against HD.

^^^^ This. It’s not every Harley rider, but the few idiots that get a noise boner out of the thing and make everyone within earshot want to punch them in their 3rd chin.

I’d like them to continue to exist - as long as straight pipes mean the bike gets immediately crushed.

E-bike riders don’t want a Harley.
Harley riders don’t want an e-bike.

HD have long over valued their product. This is just the latest example of them pretending the cachet of their brand is still “a thing”. Guess what? It isn’t anymore. The “fat bearded biker guy” trope is something fewer and fewer people want to be associated with. Now the Doctors dentists and other guys who used to…

This is anecdotal:

Who woulda thought that releasing an overpriced bike at the end of the riding season would not sell?

This sort of reminds me of the guy that rode to Alaska on a grom. If that’s your thing, then by all means do you.

I think the thing about ADV bikes for most people is the styling and thought that they could do some off-road. I imagine the largest segment of riders out there aren’t using their rides for their intended purposes... It’s like people that buy a $50k pickup truck and never use it as a pickup truck. They think it’s cool…