Welp found the geologist.

Or just get a Pacifica Hybrid, take the $7500 tax credit, and drive off into the sunset. The problem isn’t the $40 large, it’s the lack of a hybrid (which will likely soon be remedied).

I uhh, think it’s mid 30s if you can find one for MSRP.

Did a little googling and it’s just like my current van where you’re lugging the middle row out unless you have the recliners in the back.

The Sienna doesn’t have removable middle seats, which is a total deal breaker as we use our van like a pickup for hauling long objects somewhat frequently, and yeah, they start at 32 large but this one is 40 and still doesn’t have a hybrid. You’re getting into Pacifica Hybrid territory at that point.

I’d love one of these things but 40 large for a new vehicle with no hybrid available in the year of our lord 2022 is a nonstarter.

Eh, they’re about the same bar of soap.

I think Ford made a bad choice not making a new gen Flex with sliders and a hybrid or even as the Mach-E Flex. Come on Ford, get your shit together! There are dozens of us, DOZENS!

Or a Tesla or an Audi or a Porsche. Spent some time in Amazon town and there were more of these than Subarus. 

Yeah there’s no fun car that’s good for 405 or I-5 through Tacoma. 

Its fucking Seattle (I live here) and you’re supposedly going to be driving to work (a stupid idea) so you want a hybrid something or an outback. Most “off roading” is bad gravel roads that are no sweat in a FWD hatchback unless you really try hard to find something. Also no rust so an old car that’s from Oregon,…

Gwar? Cannibal Corpse?

dunno, they manage to melt steel with electricity, so I’m sure they can come up with a good high-temp e-wok.

I’m gonna let you finish but ebikes are great, they get normies out of their cars and on to bikes. maybe 2% of the U.S. population is willing to ride accoustic bikes, and if my anecdata is any guide at least double that is willing to ride electric bikes.

the quantity of metal required for a bicycle is so much less than a motor vehicle. Using a 5000-lb giant motorized hut to drive yourself to the store for more ice cream is about as inefficient as you can get.

I’d pull the misfits off and put maybe pantera in, the Misfits are more punk.

Metal, so guaranteed someone’s gonna argue with you.

Hey Willy, BMW called (from the car) and they want their joke back.

As someone who cleans things up to federal and state standards, “emissions of potentially harmful chemicals are below federal and state standards” does not mean it’s pleasant or even necessarily safe to breathe those emissions long term as a resident adjacent to the factory as Stellantis asserts.

Oh, they live outside of a city.