so there's only going to be one character left at the end, sitting on the throne, with everyone else dead?

Edmure could probably be manipulated and brought to heel, but the Blackfish is going to be a more difficult proposition. he might understand the decision to have Robb killed, but his sister and an unborn child?

obviously a Campbell

fair enough, but i disagree.

i agree it makes sense and really i have no issue with Robb (or any character) dying, i just felt there was little reason for Talisa or Cat to be their and be killed also - that this was done for expediency and shock value.

i'm talking about characters as presented in GoT the TV show.

you have answered your own question - "Robb killed Karstark and lost any chance of winning the war".

thanks, i was trapped in this comments section awaiting your releasing me.

@avclub-e57dbebc740250d2c4a370cf6ccb35f0:disqus maybe in the books but, in the TV show, Sansa is currently just a pinball.

i thought it was arrows.

sounds political.

while i enjoyed the read, it doesn't really apply to Robb/Frey. In coming to an agreement, Frey basically said to Robb that he would help make sure Robb wouldn't get hit by a bus.

@avclub-c1ceafca9444101f96adceb627c472aa:disqus i generally get into a storyline and it then just drags and becomes dull or doesn't lead anywhere.

in real life, i rarely get bested by someone with a bigger sword.

it's fiction. the outcome is made up not pre-ordained.

except, it's not the case that Robb was hit by a bus. there is cause and effect when it leads to a massacre, but not when it leads to a more proportional outcome.

i don't think Arya or Sansa are any better, their situations have limited the options open to them.

most characters are going nowhere - it's mostly just people walking places and never arriving.

@avclub-c1ceafca9444101f96adceb627c472aa:disqus could not agree more.

"you're either taking the ride or not"