Yes. Vir's "What was it all for, I wonder" about five minutes away.

no, I never liked Lilly, but I could buy the idea that Veronica might have been infatuated with the idea of her friendship.

Well she was, at the least, an excellent student because she was in the hunt for valedictorian and that's a sustained thing. She was also still really smart, although she may have preferred to hide that.

I think there's always been a side of Veronica that believed that she was just temporarily a detective for good, and that the "real Veronica" was season one flashback Veronica who hung out with the rich kids and used to have the richest boyfriend. And that, to her and partially to Keith, was "good." "Getting out" was…

one of a few "it's just a show I should really just relax" moments.

So what do you think a good future Veronica career might have been to make that tension exist?

I'd have a hard time suggesting that Season 7 itself was so good that we should use it for the defining line of canon. I was probably more entertained (also more disappointed) by the Season 8 comics than S7 of the show.

The lawyer job that Veronica attempted to get, and was rejected from, sounded like it was essentially "Veronica uses all her skills for evil instead of good." The idea that that would be a vehicle for her to do good in just doesn't work. The high-powered lawyer that was her and Keith's idea of "getting out" was…

Betrayal, though inadvertent, was in the fourth season. That triggered him falling off the wagon, or getting back on, whatever, getting wasted again in the fifth season, when he was the spymaster. And he was blind drunk when his word could have stopped a war.

Garibaldi was also shown as a computer simulation a thousand years in the future. I think within the main chronology his resolution is unclear enough for him to fit. The movies and Sleeping In Light muddle that, yes.

Let's see here…it looks like we all forgot to volunteer to write him up. Oopsie.

THE FUCK DID HE DO?

Elijah, you know, sweet guy, not that bright.

Like I said, I've discussed it before on this show, and I've discussed in other reviews (it's probably the biggest thematic discussion in my Black Sails reviews, my Helix sub review, etc). Obviously this'll change from reviewer to reviewer, but I'm not alone. I've seen Todd and Sonia do it multiple times.

"Perhaps the most absurd, pompous, silly statement in the history of professional media criticism."

Lord knows I've done analyses like that here before, but I don't think it's as strong a case as you're making it appear. The crucial difference is that Marcel seems to have achieved a *sustained* balance of power where Klaus had, perhaps, only started to achieve that.

Yeah, it seems so unlikely that it doesn't really need to be mentioned. I would like to cover Flint's apparent amorality at some point, though.

"make"

Also with shows that a few people REALLY like, they'll comment at each other for days, regardless of how many other people.

oh, don't worry, he's absolutely fine. he only got the blood on him after he tore out an opponent's jugular with his teeth. all good.