I get the powertrain as a system. But with the same gearing in the transmission and the rear axles, the engines are running the same speed at the same vehicle speed UNLESS they are in different gears.

So if your suggesting my Diesel is running in 4th gear at 1500 RPM while your gas is running at 2200 RPM in 3rd gear…

So many people here are like “I check out KBB and it says its a bad price”.

KBB is a guide, not a bible.

Are y’alls kidding me? my goodness. I will pay KBB price for a c5 corvette any day. A manual FRC lists for like $7556 in KBB right now. I will buy 5 of them at that price, because they sell for about $12000-15000 in…

I’ve got a motorcycle for sale right now on CL. I want $2300. Since people negotiate like crazy, I have it listed for $3500. Just got a “lowball” offer of $2500. He’s meeting me this weekend...

If I would have listed it for $2300, I would have gotten offers of $1500...

I love buying corvettes:

Asking price: $35,000
KBB: $28,000
Time on market: 4 months

My offer: $20,000
their response “I KNOW WHAT I HAVE”
My response “email me if you change your mind”
1 hour later “Fine- just because no one else has even come to look at it, I’ll sell it to you for $20,000"

Probably why there aren’t a lot of diesels in Cali? I believe it.

Its definitely depending on where you live.. I bet many people were enlightened as I was to find the pricing disparity so big- IE I would have assumed diesel and regular were about the same price everywhere., but I learned something... and I’m sure…

The only argument I want to bring up is that horsepower is important, but peak horsepower is not as important. Horsepower is just a calculation of RPM * torque / 5252.

Unfortunately I don’t have the torque and HP curves for the new diesel, so I can’t speak for it specifically.

For example, a 250 HP DI Turbo will often…

According to Ford, the Diesel is available with the 3.31 and 3.55 axle ratios. Thats the same axle ratios as the gas, so therefore you can compare torque as apple to apple comparisons since the transmission and the rear axle are identical.

You work in powertrain design which is great. I presume that means you know…

I think it depends on a lot of things.

For example, I sold my truck to a guy who puts 100k miles on his truck a year delivering medical equipment. I dont know how thats possible. (He did a daily medical delivery from Rochester, NY to Albany NY- thats about 450 miles a day) The diesel will pay for itself for him…

Definitely depends on where you live. I just went through every gas station that came through in my zip code in gas buddy, and not ONE of them had cheaper midgrade than diesel, and a number of them had the same price diesel and regular!

So I would say that definitely matters. I spend most my time in the I75 corridor,…

and they have 5500 cash on the hood of 2.7s....

Diesels sometimes cheaper than regular here in ohio, but its almost ALWAYS cheaper than midgrade. Ram states for the Hemi, you need to use midgrade. Therefore you have to compare pricing for the two.

For example, as of right now check out 1951 Stanley Ave, Dayton, OH. It is a shell station. Regular is $2.79, Diesel is…

Why WOULDN’T you buy the diesel? its a no brainer.

Fuel efficiency, resale, torque, motor life, and cool factor?

all seem like good reasons to me.

The ecodiesel on the ram adds only $3045 to the price.

What do you get for $3000 on a 4x4?

V8- Requires MIDGRADE Fuel. average cost today? $3.09
Diesel- Average cost today, $2.75

v…

When I saw “cheap Pickup” I laughed. Hard.


But then I thought about another one- The S10. Early 2000s S10s weren’t bad, got GREAT fuel economy with the I4, and $5 grand would buy you the nicest one in the country. Around here they are all between 1500-2000. $5 grand definitely gets you a crew cab...

OR the other real…

I liked the “Pay in your car” idea until I read the details... seems like a huge hassle.

I was hoping it was going to be more like, “You store your credit card and when you fill up at Shell it knows its you and automatically charges your card for your fillup”. Minor convenience, but a convenience.

“go through a couple…

Anyone who drives a high-horsepower Manual transmission Car in the North starts in 2nd (or sometimes 3rd) quite frequently...

400,500,600 HP 1st gear and ice? yeah right.

I don’t disagree... I’m not going to line up and buy one...

Thats true of about any high end car...

You can buy a $250,000 car thats less capable than a z06...

The z06 is the bargain of the century and I don’t think anyone argues about that.

I disagree. Dual clutch are superior to automatics.

My point was, if your going to pull your cell phone out, then what is the hoopla about android auto? just use your darn phone. The tech seems pointless to me. the real benefit would be having your “phone” work on your dash when you get in it... like every other car I owned where I just set my phone in a phone holder…

I would call 40-50k a cheap car. I’m thinking this will come out closer to 6 figures, if not past it.