Wait a minute, who does Bokeem Woodbine play in that movie?

Of course, you're right! I wonder how he got away with that one? The Broccolis are known to be pretty protective about their Bond stuff, there's (alledgedly) even a clause in the contract of the actors currently playing James Bond that prohibits them from wearing tuxedos in other movies!

I concede that I was a bit unfair to Cannonball Run to service a point, but Spice World?

Spy Hard wasn't a flop to 9 year old me!

Cannonball Run, Spice World, this… Roger Moore really did a bunch of nonsense schlock post Bond. Was he really that toxic? I mean, Dalton and Brosnan both transformed into solid character actors, and Connery kept playing action heroes in A-list productions well into his 60's.

The power of marketing. It will drop like a stone covered in lead after it's first weekend.

I agree about Batman v Superman "wasting" plot and relying on stuff that need a ton of setup to properly work, but although I had my doubts about that aspect for Suicide Squad as well, that wasn't what sunk it. I bought that these are all just general low-lifes who have been around for a while, as they're nothing more…

I honestly think there might be a salvageable film (albeit one with highly questionable gender politics) somewhere among all the stuff on the cutting room floor, except for that truly awful final encounter with the Enchantress-siblings. I can only assume they made most of that stuff up on the day they shot it.

It's not like those first 30 minutes are perfect or anything, but at least they show that this project wasn't doomed from the start and might have ended up less useless if WB hadn't panicked and went into it with a pair of hedge clippers just before release.

Suicide Squad: Well, the first act is kind of decent. The constant pop songs become grating very fast, but there's a fun tone that marries well with the generally gritty aesthetic. Batman facing Deadshot and Joker/Harley Quinn just "works" tonally and dramatically like few other interactions have done in the DCEU so…

Well, the first act is kind of decent. The constant pop songs become grating very fast, but there's a fun tone that marries well with the generally gritty aesthetic. Batman facing Deadshot and Joker/Harley Quinn just "works" tonally and dramatically like few other interactions have done in the DCEU so far, and in the…

Twelve-year-olds can't drown?

…so someone saw the video for Dancing in the Streets and thought "Yeah, we need more of this!"?

As with any good superhero team book, that handle on characters also made the book pretty much write itself. Just throw a problem into the mix, and let the established characters react to it and clash accordingly. It was great stuff, is what I'm saying.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but it seems to have missed one of the central points of the comic; the disconnect between the goofy-as-hell 1960's Silver Age villains that populated the stories and the bleak, gritty 1980's Cold War missions with life-or-death stakes that they were sent out on. I know that the squad…

Or the phantom pie thrower!

That scene has a stunt where Vic Armstrong rides a horse up a ridge and jumps from it onto the crawlers of a moving Nazi fantasy tank. Just sayin'.

I might be setting myself up for a "That's the joke"-meme here, but they actually kind of did, at least post 1984 up to about '90.

I don't know. "For fun" or not, giving some very unsupervised 12-year old kids instructions for how to build a clear drowning hazard seems pretty irresponsible.

I think the DC animated movies are generally good for what they are, but DC's stable of dark/magic characters in the hands of del Toro (if that is indeed what this is based on) is such a great concept that it seems like a waste to only use it for a direct to DVD animated film with so-so artwork. I honestly believe…