There is no way that anyone that ventures into the real world can believe that any reasonable percentage of those vehicles ever see dirt. You could go to Autotrader and CarGurus and all of the other car sales websites to see that most don’t have any scratches or evidence of the underside scraping anything. You could…

I’d HAPPILY take a JK. What a great off-road platform. Great frame, impressive axles from the factory. Give credit where credit is due, they’re AMAZING off-road, are impressively powerful, etc. They can fit larger tires, and all that good stuff.

Ah, you must live in one of those states that just legalized marijuana! Wrangler sales have always been plenty strong. They’re stronger than normal right now, due to a 10-year growth in the economy, a very strong job market, cheap fuel, etc. but they are no fad. And the new generation has become much more liveable as…

You’re arguing with lunatics. Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. Some Land Cruisers do get used off road, but very very few. Until the 4th or 5th owner of course, like the LX450 rock crawlers that are becoming so popular. As far as G-wagons and…

Wranglers aren’t good in the snow. You’re thinking of Subaru, Audi, the 4Runner, or any awd crossover. Or in the Jeep world, the Cherokee or Grand Cherokee. The Wrangler is bad on snowy/rainy streets.

So what you’re saying is the FJ Cruiser, but if you didn’t pull the engineering away from the engineers and then water it down with crappy cutting corners?

That’s what I’m waiting for. Give me a Pentastar powered Rubicon. Auto or manual, I don’t even care. I’d take a 2-door or Unlimited, doesn’t really matter. I’d prefer the Unlimited because as we’ve learned from the LJ Wranglers and the JeepWorks JKL extensions, that longer wheelbase has proved to be very powerful when…

When was this happening? You’re telling me that there was a dealership offering 33% off of sticker of any Wrangler? They’d be sold out in minutes. Hell, I would have bought a diesel Grand Cherokee, just for shits. This might have really occurred once or twice during the 2008 recession when people were legitimately…

I love it when smart clever replies get more stars than the original post, and put the original poster into his or her place.

This is the right answer. Colorado, Utah, etc. has much more outdoorsy people that go offroading more often. But, you still have a ton of people that just buy them to project a certain lifestyle, instead of actually using it. Plus, so many people just think they need one because they’re outdoorsy, but you can get to…

He’s wrong. They aren’t beasts in the snow. Unlike your Subaru, you are not supposed to use a Wrangler’s 4wd on the road. It’s like your Pro-4X. Without a center diff, you are causing binding and forcing traction to break if you try to use 4wd on the road when there is snow, rain, or other inclement weather. Now, if…

They are not beasts in the snow whatsoever. They are rear wheel drive, and they don’t have a center differential, so unlike a 4Runner or Armada or Grand Cherokee, you cannot use 4wd on the street. Plus, getting wider tires, which most Jeep owners do, HURTS you in the snow. They are beasts offroad, so if you’re going…

Great, that’s just more inventory for me, when I want to buy someone’s toy for pennies on the dollar to use for what it was designed!

You are aware of the Nigerian Prince scam, right? The organization dedicated to fighting them is called 419eater, and the 419 in the name refers to Nigeria. It’s a country where online crime is flourishing. So, I reject your assertion that it’s racist-adjacent. It’s just that when you post something on Craigslist, you…

Before I go on my rant, I’d like to point people to KBB and NADA as pricing guides. Yes, this car is priced too high. No, it isn’t in the stratosphere, since he can probably go to CarMax and walk away with a $21,000 check within 2 hours. I do agree that FOR MYSELF, it’s something that I would want to use off-road, so…

This price is high, but not as high as you make it seem. Yes, at $27,000 that is just a pipe dream for a car that was $32,000 new. But, it’s just 20% high. That car, with that mileage, is worth $24,000. Subtract for any evidence of off-roading, such as beat up skidplates, since there are enough Rubicons, Tacomas,…

Not gonna happen. They’re cool cars, and MAYBE if you had a mint one like that 1999 Civic Si that just sold for $23,000 with only 10,000 miles, but even then, that’s not much more than asking price.

This isn’t true. It isn’t illegal, just fucking stupid.

The same is happening with Japanese cars. That’s why the 370Z isn’t getting any research money poured into it, because the difference between what we say we want, versus actually getting us into showrooms, is immense. The same with the BRZ/GT86/FR-S, once the few who actually put their money where their mouth was…

I post a link with Honda publicly apologizing for their cars of the last decade, and your response is to accuse me of trolling? Ah, the ad hominem, the last refuge of someone that realizes they’ve lost the argument. Pile your logical fallacies on me, I eat them for breakfast. Competitors made cars just as economical…