No. Arrange for Financing in Advance, then talk to the dealer as if you haven't already done that. Negotiate their rate as much as you can, then spring the advanced arrangements on them if they can't do better. Then, if they still can't come down any further or offer some incentives to close the gap then you use the…

yeah and it was horseshit.

I think the recommendation was speaking more towards knowing what rate to expect going in, especially if your credit isn't spotless. If you're going in completely at the dealership's mercy then financing is just another avenue for them to dick you around with haggling.

Heh, the dealership I bought from let me drive one (and I was ordering factory new, so it wasn't even the one I was interested in buying) to work and back one day... Knowing full well in advance that my daily commute at the time was 150km each way. That was some serious commitment to the sale if you ask me.

I'm not a 2-wheel person, but damn, it, this bike sure makes me want to consider it.

yeah, fair enough. That really is the beauty of the project in that it didn't technically break any rules or mislead any of the backers.

right, but what you said implied that you had to do real serious business fraud to be a fraud. Not saying this guy was a fraud, just arguing that you can be a fraud for a $10 payout just as well as you can be for a $100,000 one.

only millionaires can be frauds now?

but my speakers are for my music. I don't want extra noise introduced to my signal.

I want the V Wagon version so bad.

you could get one of those peel and stick foam pads to mount behind it. (stuck to the frame, not to your body panel)

All hail our new lord and savior, Raevox the Pissantic!

I've owned a car that had one DRILLED AND MOUNTED with hardware. It was on a thrice handed down '87 tercel, so I didn't really mind, but if that ever happened on a car now, well... I didn't think I'd ever need to use the phrase "justifiable homicide" seriously.

I negotiated them from putting one of those sticker emblems on my car down to just having two of those license plate frames. Then I just replaced the frames with less obnoxious ones.

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just get me a fastback-style hardtop that maintains trunk usability and I don't care about a power hardtop.

you just need to get an aftermarket ejecto-seato. Also to be completely fair, these wouldn't wrap around an Escalade... More like go underneath and surgically implant a 20+ inch wheel into your brain.

Polaris has you covered.

This is a hilarious trollcar, but not $4k of hilariousness.

knowing all the faults it has (that I know about at least) it still has a bay in my top-10 garage. There's just something truly special about it that I can't exactly define.