And how can you simultaneously assert that hand-holding and hugs are forbidden outside of marriage, but playing with your sleeping sister’s vagina is normal?

Check out the Erica Hill interview on “digging in with the Duggar’s”: Jessa jokes about keeping the baby’s gender a secret, to which josh responds “like you can keep a secret”.. Given the history between the two....kind of a creepy thing to say in any context.

unprecedented numbers of unwed mothers, millions of abortions, rampant STDs

omg unwed mothers are the worst....waaaay worse than child molestors, amirite??

Oh for fuck’s sake. So basically having the children of the family molested by an older sibling is a big bummer? Well, we hope it won’t happen, but if it does, them’s the breaks and no biggie?

Two five year olds looking at each other’s wee wees are “Playing Doctor”. A 15 year old adolescent molesting a five year old is not. Never mind that there were multiple victims, multiple occasions over several years, and often the victims were originally asleep, so they weren’t ‘playing’ anything.

This whole sad drama has been kinda triggering for a lot of people, so I just want to throw this out there, from RAINN:

You left out the best part of Michael Seewald’s disgusting diatribe:

Me right now.

Me too. I’ve tried to stop reading about this, but SO many people are defending this perv for the most insane reasons. I’ve had 3 people tell me to “let someone who has not sinned cast the first stone” as though everybody who’re dissing this family has molested a kid or something. Wtf.

Well-adjusted 14 year olds do not “play doctor” with younger siblings.

Well, seeing as I might have been (can't confirm but I vaguely remember and it's a running theory for some of my issues) molested by my second cousin while playing doctor, I wouldn’t call it that harmless.

Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law goes on to say that fans shouldn’t be shocked by Josh’s actions — he claims that many people would do the same thing if they didn’t fear the consequences of their behavior.

Many times it is simply lack of opportunity or fear of consequences that keep us from falling into grievous sin even though our fallen hearts would love to indulge the flesh.

Or that those rich morons really need to be my friends.

Exactly what I came here to say. This isn’t about his wanting these embryos, it’s about revenge, control and manipulation. Thank god she has the money to hire a good lawyer. This guy is an ass and she's well to be rid of him.

This is exactly what the problem is with situations like this, kind of like when you start acting like the father of a fetus has to sign off on abortion. Men have been using existing, outside-the-womb kids to get back at their wives/girlfriends since time immemorial, and now we’re getting to a point where technology…

The idea of some manipulative scumbucket using a woman’s embryos against her will is terrifying.

Please just call her June Shannon. Referring to her as “Mama” reinforces her fraudulent brand, and perpetuates the idea that she’s a loveable matriarch.