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thebloodofthematador: That's it precisely. They raped this girl repeatedly at gunpoint. There will be no "slutty girl" defense, in court or in the court of public opinion. This is a slam dunk.

Alpha: That's a big part of it. Nobody is going to take up for these boys. Nor should they. Even their own parents might disown them at this point. They're going down like Ariel Castro — alone and despised.

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Precisely, midwesternmom. The only appropriate ending to this godawful story.

I have no problem with objectification of the male body. Although I have no desire to have sex with my fellow males, I get the attraction. A physically fit male body is a pretty amazing machine, capable of feats of speed, strength and power that no female can match. You probably should be drooling.

Sigh. That's what I keep talking about. I think the fact deserved discussion by the author. It's a hugely important point and will be so at trial. But never mind that. I'm sure we're both getting pretty tired of this. I know I am. Why don't we just agree you're really smart and a I'm a dumb boy and get on with our…

Yeah, these kids are going to get roasted. A gun makes a difference with juries. The age of the victim makes a difference with juries. The bragging about gangs makes a difference with juries. The Steubenville rapists were able to use the facts of that case [the girl was drunk, her memory was uncertain] and their own…

Hmmm. I read it again to be sure, but I just can't find any reference to gangs [apart from gang-raping, which is obviously quite different] in the summary, only in the Chicago Sun-Times article. I see it up there, but the fact is significant for the purposes of the trial and almost certainly helps explain why the boys…

1. No, gang-members, gang-bangers. Whichever you like.

I was referring to the summary of the article, not the actual article itself. The fact that these kids are gang-bangers is a pretty important fact. This isn't like Steubenville at all. These are future career criminals who got a head start on the future.

Well, it isn't just me complaining about how awful rom-coms are. You read the story above, correct? My view is a pretty popular one. Obviously, I'm not in favor of literally banning the genre. That's taking my words too literally. What I meant is that the genre generally produces very bad movies and that investing in…

There's some pretty important info left out of the summary above. The boys are gang-bangers. They claim to be members of a notorious Chicago gang in the tape and they throw gang signs around on the tape, as well.

The US government is unlikely to start subsidizing vacations to Italy. Just subsidizing decent health care seems to be controversial enough. Waitresses are always going to need stuff like this — until they're replaced by robots. Which is going to happen and a lot sooner than you might think.

Thank you! Someone else gets it, too.

Couldn't agree more. But handing a waitress a thousand dollars for a dream vacation tends to get more attention than helping a little old lady across the street or shoveling the driveway of your neighbor because he's older now and can't move 10 inches of snow like he used to.

Thank you! The world needs more women like you, nerds or not.

How about rom-coms are unbelievably awful and the entire genre deserves to die a horrible, painful death before being consigned to the ashes of Hell for eternity and a half?

Maybe just that rich person.

Gender-neutral bathrooms? I don't even want to be in a bathroom with other males, let alone females. What we need is a single, pristine bathroom for me and the rest of you can root around in troughs like the filthy swine that you are!