Right, so the stock is not currently a good long term bet.  There’s no other material way to buy into the company.

The article is poorly written in typical Jalopnik fashion, but Tesla’s current valuation makes zero sense. They would have to ramp up production to 40M cars a year, which is about half the world’s output of cars, and 4-5x what the biggest car companies in the world do. With conventional ICEvs that aren’t constrained…

If I’m understanding the numbers right, they’d have to grow a hundredfold in a short period of time to justify these valuations.

These two sentiments are contradictory. 

I haven’t used Logitech but I’ve been a Fanatec customer for like 5 years. I agree. If you can stretch to get the entry level wheelbase with a load cell brake pedal it’s 100% worth it.

I came here to say exactly this! They only value property and force, so you have to hit them where it hurts.

It’s cheaper to put power everything in everything than to have manual stuff in some cars and power stuff in others. Same door cards, same switches, same motors/regulators etc.

I feel like your concern is more hope that auto stop kills starters because you don’t like the technology. We are both car guys.... if this tech were lunching starters we would have heard about it.

Auto start/stop starters are beefier, but I’d personally just see mild hybrid systems across the board.

Really? Only a year away from a fully built fast charging network? EVs in all the different form factors available (I just bought a minivan), at prices comparable to ICE equivalents?

I don’t like what Voat is about, but man you guys need to dial back the editorializing a bit. We are all adults here capable of forming our own opinions.

I think the paint matches, but the panel contours are so disjointed the light hits them differently. Like if you have a front door closed and a rear door open, they are going to look like different colors even if they have the same paint. 

Because some people don’t want to pay more money for less convenience?

Someone’s a nervous shareholder.

Yea context always matters. It’s like news stories that say “there was a 1000% increase in deaths”.... and it goes from 1 to 10, because 20x more people were using said product etc. As a data dude shit like this drives me nuts.

This is back when mileage actually mattered too. I feel like the average car back then was lucky to break 100K miles.

I honestly don’t know what this exchange is about. COL is largely driven by housing and taxes; the terms are essentially interchangeable. Your verbal diarrhea seems to be an attempt to avoid admitting that. Strange hill to die on. Enjoy your evening

These “OMG look how dangerous these cheap car” posts are becoming a bit formulaic and lacking in value. Would it be great if cars sold in the 3rd world were as safe as cars in the 1st world? Absolutely. But ultimately safety costs money.

This is all conjecture. Sure, housing is definitely a primary motivator, but I need more proof that people are checking housing and nothing else. Because again I just listed off a bunch of non-housing items that will be substantially cheaper outside of CA. If know those things are cheaper I imagine others do too. I…

Someone with the skills/experience to land a tech job at Tesla isn’t gonna be “trapped” anywhere. They are in demand and can go whereever they want.