But it's not black and white like that.

Check out Hans Rosling's TED talks if you want real data that shows an optimistic world told to you in very entertaining and humorous manner. Always improves my day!

But this is not necessarily saying you do things because you have female genetics, it can still be a gender difference caused by social training.

Compared to our past we HAVE trained people to think of rape and abuse and sexual assault differently.

Except that his policy record shows that he IS on point.

You really don't get it do you? Manipulation is what you do every day in every conversation. It's conveying an idea one way vs another. It's implying you have a royal flush when you only have two pair. It is part of being human.

Your definition of the PUA scene is much more narrow than mine. You focus that name on the people doing the misogynistic stuff, rather than anyone discussing the "art" of flirting and seducing.

I get this feeling you think these guys are actually going around claiming they are cultivating intimacy and love.

And any good flirter will pick up on what kind of conversation will work, but many guys won't.

I would say you were 100% right but that none of that has any relevance on actually changing these behaviors.

If you had a bunch of money would you give it to your kids when you died?

Being born into a rich family doesn't mean anything either, but you will still be rich in all likelihood.

Except that there doesn't seem to be people teaching EFFECTIVE skills like that to shy guys or girls. PUA techniques are actually telling you what to do, outside of that you generally just here a long list of contradictory things NOT to do. That is just discouraging to most shy people since not only do you need to…

You yourself said "People who defend the PUA community really seem to only be defending the stuff that isn't at all unique to the PUA community."

I don't associate myself with PUA, just like I don't associate myself with Libertarians even though the bad ones are once again a loud minority.

And I don't agree, which is why I am responding to Punkin Skywalker and not to Katie Baker or Arden Leigh.

I suppose not, but if they are very effective at picking people up the name isn't wrong.

Right, but talking about Kant will get me nowhere while pretending to be interested by the Kardashians will get me pretty far.

Sure there are, unfortunately they don't tend to be as attractive (physically) on average.

Because just like with religious people it's not a large part of the subculture, it's just a vocal minority.