it's obvious that a new car is safer. But just for kicks, let's say the majority of teens got hand me down one year old Honda Accords. You could then say "86% of teen crash deaths were in new Honda Accords!", implying that the Accord is not safe. We also don't know the split of newer vs older cars in this study. If…

These are the same people that say "The last real Jeep was *insert any Wrangler model prior to JK* because reasons!"

The Jeep is especially good for many reasons.

Please, please, PLEASE tell me that at some point during your explanations you used the term "This isn't rocket science."

I will too. Fire away.

My first car was my dad's Ford Festiva. I learned to drive stick in that car, and the shifter was longer than my arm. The Festiva gave me my first in car hook up, first road head, and first taste of driving freedom.

The Pentastar in the wrangler makes 90% of its torque at 2k RPM. While that may not be tractor low, it's hardly a "spinner".

The Pentastar already makes 90% of its torque at 2k RPM, at least in my Wrangler trim.

Hang on... this seems perfectly legit to me. A dirt road, a small puddle of water, and a two track where ruts don't even exist. What's the problem? This seems like something that anyone could encounter at some point, and most of us probably have conquered the same or similar obstacles in 2wd eco boxes or sedans.

We shall see in 2017. I hold on to hope... Body on frame is already confirmed after all. They also state it will be the "most off road capable wrangler ever". Hopefully solid axles stick around.

Why exactly are you avoiding the Jeep Patriot? With the Renegade on the way prices will be dropping like a stone, and the model has one excellent awd system (called freedom drive 2 I believe). I'm not a huge fan of the drive train offerings though. I also drove a compass for a month while my wrangler was in the…

I think you completely hit the nailon the head here. I don't care how much leather you put in the wrangler. It's still a wrangler. It will never compete in tech, refinement, or comfort. I'll tell you right now that anyone who is in the market for a Range and buys this instead will be disappointed. They are made for…

If this comes to market, I might have to change my name on here...

So most of the people who use this app are total frauds at worst, and middle class people living outside their means at best. And 100% of them are shallow self absorbed shit heads who think merchandise branding makes them/others more desirable.

You've gone through great lengths to justify your position with that well reasoned article, and you're right. I won't even get into why. This is Jalopnik. Someone else will.

Length of stay would probably be longer as well.

This lane is for GO Transit only. Come to Toronto and drive in it, then try to tell police it's an HOV lane. Good luck with that.

Seriously? How are you even trying to defend an AWD system that doesn't work when the front wheels have no grip?

I want one of these things sitting next to my Rubicon in the driveway. What a fun, capable little cross over this will be.

ADD makes some awesome kit for the full size scene. Trucks with the right stuff can be decent off road machines.