Stang70Fastback
Stang70Fastback
Stang70Fastback

I don’t disagree with that. That’s the unfortunate thing about this car. It is designed to be better SUBJECTIVELY, which makes it very difficult to explain why it is good to most folks. I would have hoped there were more automotive enthusiasts who understood that raw numbers only tell part of the story, but if there

And I’m saying that the whole point of this car was never to be about raw numbers, so evaluating the car “objectively” is a bit silly. If objective numbers are the only thing that matter to you, then you aren’t the target demographic. The car is designed SPECIFICALLY for people who don’t care about objective numbers,

That’s not at all what I’m “demanding.” I’m simply demanding that he understand the purpose and intent of the vehicle. If his preferences don’t align with the intended use case of this vehicle, then he should look elsewhere. That doesn’t make this car a silly vehicle. It just means it isn’t for him.

Too many people

I said they aren’t in the same league. I never said what metrics I was using to make that determination. If you want to put words in my mouth, that’s fine, but let me attempt, YET AGAIN, to clarify my statement.

They aren’t in the same league as far as HANDLING FEEL. They might put down similar numbers, but they arrive

Fact: An FR-S weighs 700 lb less than a V6 Camaro, and about 1,000 lb less than a ZL1.

Fact: A car which weighs 1,000 lb less than another car will handle differently.

Why is it silly? They handle COMPLETELY differently. Two cars can have identical figures and still be entirely different as far as how they feel. Jesus tap-dancing christ why is it so hard for “enthusiasts” to understand this?! You don’t buy a Twin because it is FASTER, or corners HARDER. You buy it because of how it

As a BRZ driver, I can tell you that you are grossly exaggerating how much work it takes to pass a “normally accelerating” vehicle.

The reason you don’t understand this car is because you’re clearly a numbers guy. And while numbers are cool, there are other metrics by which to judge a vehicle. And as a numbers guy, I expect you to now poke fun at that second sentence.

Just because you have to “plan to pass” doesn’t mean it is unsafe. Hint: 97% of cars on the road today have to “plan to pass.” If you require a car that does 0-60 in 4.4 seconds in order to pass safely, then you should probably have your license revoked, because you surely drive like an idiot.

Actually no, it isn’t. It is an entirely different kind of handling. I’m not talking about raw skidpad ratings. But nevermind, you won’t understand what I’m getting at, so this discussion is pointless.

Yes, but it’s not a Miata, so it is SLOOOOOWWWW!!! #racism

A Camaro or a Mustang aren’t in even close to the same league in the handling department as this car.

If you want a Camaro or Mustang, then fine; nothing wrong with that! But if your focus is a car with the handling of the BRZ, then your only two options are this or the Miata... and if it has to be a daily driver, the

“that argument is proven wrong when you really can’t safely overtake other vehicles on a 2 lane road”

You can’t possibly be serious. I didn’t know you needed a car that does 0-60 in under 4 seconds to be able to “safely” pass people. You are a perfect example of what I was getting at with my original post, lol.

But the BRZ IS SO SLOW THO, right? Surely it can’t outrun a normally accelerating car!

I have a question! It’s actually a question someone asked me yesterday (and an example of how grossly over-exaggerated the Twins’ lack of power has become in the car community):

Of COURSE you’ll have enough power. If the minivan next to you pins the throttle to the firewall, then you might have an issue... but if he’s going that fast, then who cares? Let him by. People say it’s underpowered, but it isn’t underpowered to the point where you can’t easily outrun a “normally accelerating car”

If the time/space is so short that you need a Hellcat to make the pass, then you probably shouldn’t be passing them there anyway. The BRZ has plenty of scoot if you drop it down one or two gears and get the revs up. I’ve never had an issue passing someone I wanted to pass.

If the BRZ isn’t fast enough for daily commuting and passing cars and buses, you really need to re-evaluate your driving style. WTF, lol.

Best case scenario for how this will play out:

1. They launch a car with Subaru’s new 2.4L engine, which will provide a significant bump in power output - exactly like everyone wanted.

2. Everyone will still complain that it doesn’t make as much power as “most other sports cars,” and will continue to compare it to

Im just going to assume it’s the drugs they have you on at the hospital that are responsible for the things you are saying, because nobody is this stupid/arrogant/clueless/etc...