That car has a base starting price of $32k, and also weighs 400-900 lb more than the BRZ though.

Oh. My. God. Thank you for this excellent visual aid! Saved!

Because the ST is based off of an economy car platform. The BRZ includes the cost of designing an entirely new platform from the ground up specifically for one low-volume model.

People already rag on the interior quality of this car at its current price point.

The Chevy and Ford can handle that power because they are huge, beefy, heavy cars with huge, beefy, heavy parts. Light, powerful, cheap. Pick two. Or show me someone who does all three...

The Z is a good example, because it shows how expensive this car would be if people got what they wanted.

I own one.

Ugh. Here we go again. OEMs don’t just slap a turbo on a car and call it a day. I hear the same excuse over and over again. The OEM development and testing process is not at ALL equivalent to “Joe’s criteria.” Joe doesn’t care about his warranty. Subaru needs to offer a 60,000 mile warranty, which means they don’t…

It’s only half-assed if you don’t understand what would be required to increase power output. There’s a reason the Miata, which has been around since 1875, doesn’t have 300 HP either... but nobody calls that car out on it.

What everyone wants is for them to add 100 HP, which means a beefier drivetrain, which means beefier tires, which means beefier wheels and brakes, which means beefier suspension, which means beefier body and chassis, which means... you want a Genesis Coupe.

Go away, people. Quit trying to ruin this car.

What, exactly is half-assed about this vehicle?

A manual makes absolutely zero sense in this car.

Literally no idea, lol.

Meh. The WRX has some benefits, but it can’t hold a candle to the BRZ when it comes to handling, chassis balance, feedback, etc...

The BRZ is for the [small] subset of people who value those traits above everything else.

In the car. There’s plenty of room for a set of tires to fit with lots of room to spare.

There’s a big difference in handling between a heavy car with fat tires, and a light car with narrower tires. They might pull the same raw numbers on the skidpad, and hell, the heavier car might be faster, but you still feel that added mass. Some people hate that feeling, and I’m one of them. My dad used to get upset…

I know people who’ve traded their 86 for an ST. I also know people who have traded in their ST for an 86. Someone local to me just did the latter a few weeks ago :)

It all depends on what you’re looking for. The ST is faster and more practical, but the twins offer a different kind of experience than any of those FWD…

I wasn’t responding to the OP. I was responding to your comment. Very early Twins did have some issues. Issues with later twins are NOT common. It certainly isn’t common to go through TWO engines.

My point about 44k miles was that I have twice as many miles as OP, and haven’t been through two engines like he has. If he…

AGAIN, you don’t understand. It’s NOT about raw grip, and lap times. How many times do I have to say this?!

“You say it’s more fun to drive, but it’s slower and handles similarly to other cars.”

Again, you’re completely missing the point of the twins. They do NOT handle similarly to any of the vehicles you’ve mentioned thus far. There’s more to how a car handles than raw skidpad numbers, and Nurburgring lap times. If they…