There’s a big difference in handling between a heavy car with fat tires, and a light car with narrower tires. They might pull the same raw numbers on the skidpad, and hell, the heavier car might be faster, but you still feel that added mass. Some people hate that feeling, and I’m one of them. My dad used to get upset…

I know people who’ve traded their 86 for an ST. I also know people who have traded in their ST for an 86. Someone local to me just did the latter a few weeks ago :)

It all depends on what you’re looking for. The ST is faster and more practical, but the twins offer a different kind of experience than any of those FWD…

I wasn’t responding to the OP. I was responding to your comment. Very early Twins did have some issues. Issues with later twins are NOT common. It certainly isn’t common to go through TWO engines.

My point about 44k miles was that I have twice as many miles as OP, and haven’t been through two engines like he has. If he…

AGAIN, you don’t understand. It’s NOT about raw grip, and lap times. How many times do I have to say this?!

“You say it’s more fun to drive, but it’s slower and handles similarly to other cars.”

Again, you’re completely missing the point of the twins. They do NOT handle similarly to any of the vehicles you’ve mentioned thus far. There’s more to how a car handles than raw skidpad numbers, and Nurburgring lap times. If they…

Well you’ve just cemented my theory :)
In fact, I’m almost thinking you’re a troll.

I road trip in this car all the time and fail to see what your issue with it is. The seats are quite comfortable for long trips. No, it’s not the most supple ride, but not everyone needs to be coddled by a Lexus-like ride on long trips. Personally, that puts me to sleep. A bit more connected-to-the-road feeling keeps…

“A Cruze has similar performance metrics [to a BRZ].”

Nobody is going to take you seriously after that statement. You clearly have literally no concept of what makes the Twins so special.

Yeah, the early production 2013 vehicles had some teething issues. However, I know plenty of 2013 owners who have MANY more miles (including hard autocrossing and track days) and their engines are still intact.

And later model years resolved those issues. My 2015 has 44,000 miles and the engine is just fine even after…

I have no idea, lol. I actually only saw it for the first time two weeks ago, which is where I took that photo.

Two entirely different cars. Mustang is way faster than a twin in a straight line. Handles like a pile of poop in comparison, though. Different strokes for different folks.

He’s in my local Subaru group :)

Relative to a new Twin with 60k miles worth of a power-train warranty, yes. Don’t kid yourself.

If this car isn’t fast enough for you to drive in everyday traffic at any speed, you probably need to re-evaluate how you drive on public roads...

...or buy a Hellcat.

That’s definitely a unique scenario, and not a common issue, lol.

They haven’t “fixed” it because it’s intentional to increase fuel economy at “cruising RPMs.”

Yeah, that will surely come out even in the wallet department in the long run...

“Awful movie?” GTFO.

I just wanted you to know at least someone understood your reference.

Yeah, that’s why I put “brake boosting” in quotes, lol. Wasn’t sure what the proper term was for a non-boosted car. Thanks for the info!